The Demons are back and this time they take on some Drag-ons with the House of the Dragon as Jim’s pick (note: Rape is not our sponsor!!); whilst Brannyk goes into the blue with Twisted F’in Sister Land, and the demons agree to disagree with Santa Sangria. All this and more on the next Streamin’ Demons!
Transcripts for House of Dragon episode
00:01.47
jim_phoenix
Hey, everyone on on today. We are not kidding hey everyone we have a great show today if we stopp the echoing we are a and we’re a cave right now so we might echo once in a while but today’s stuff we’ve got o the house of the ins inside. Ah dragon. Yep yep. House of dragon and plakesie blues tapes and then we finish this off with a double team of Santa Santa Claus now ah santas Andria Santa Sangri Santa Ho Ho I don’t know all that am more next streaming demons. Edit.
01:02.91
jim_phoenix
Oh everyone. How are you doing. We are doing another exciting adventureous dreaming demons with views truly Jim Phoenix and my co-host j m brannick if it is our real names. Hello.
01:19.30
booooox
Santa Sangre Santa Sangre that’s a holy blood. Yeah, you could say that but it could be.
01:21.98
jim_phoenix
That’s your new names san the sangary Jesus diet is it like a poor name santaangre it should be so if the if you haven’t heard the the trailers of this eventually are eventually I guess we’re doing Santa Seria as the team up and house of ancestral dragons has mine and then you know yeah we got something like I guess the peps you’re doing blue. Yeah, we used to something like new old borrowed and blue. You’re doing blue.
01:44.93
booooox
The pokesies the pokeepsies.
01:53.10
booooox
I am doing blue. It’s it’s something that we usually don’t do a lot of but I watched it thinking it was going to be an old one and it turned out to be a blue one so old and blue just like old blue old bluer.
02:05.42
jim_phoenix
Old the blue old blue The guy off of old school who dies old blue or blue I Earth the guy the God the gal from ah porn who’ve also dies Damn love people, Blue dye deep blue and oh.
02:12.93
booooox
Like Old yellow.
02:18.72
booooox
There’s a lot. Well, there’s a lot of people that die in this too. So ah, you’ll you’ll see you see you’ll see it’s but it has it does have a fun name of Pokeepsie. It’s such a fun name. Po.
02:23.15
jim_phoenix
There he goes is that’s what I said wow those play what is that 1 okay.
02:33.32
jim_phoenix
Butkeepsie. It’s this smallll little place in New York where twist his sisters from pokesie.
02:34.79
booooox
See.
02:39.87
booooox
I’ve never been there I find it an adorable name pookeepsie.
02:44.32
jim_phoenix
So it’s a hell hole but all right? So were to know the the first there’s no guest that we’re gonna go launch right into boxes stuff Ja brannic as their video box this goes away take it away.
02:59.66
booooox
Yeah, because it it started roboting for me in our our our ah our cave so I took my video away. Um, so you don’t know which part of the cave I’m at you’ll have to come find me. Um.
03:04.50
jim_phoenix
Um, as it out came my.
03:13.98
jim_phoenix
No, no one to.
03:16.87
booooox
So the Pokeepsie tapes I mean it’s It’s a delightful I Guess it’s a joke in and out of itself. Um, it is.
03:23.15
jim_phoenix
That was no place walk walk. Ah I’m trying to find you in his Cave marcoepie.
03:28.59
booooox
People You know the the funny thing is that people who know what the Pokeepsie tapes are are going to be so enraged Po Poepsie Poepsie Well then why is it? g.
03:39.66
jim_phoenix
Are you saying this name correctly is poepsie The is that Poo Kisie It’s that like win. The poo is.
03:48.46
booooox
H P P o o g h poips pow pow pow caps po
03:51.35
jim_phoenix
Oh parkkepsi for gibie I don’t know I think it’s a person that I fo prevent.
04:01.72
booooox
Who Co pipsy all right Anyway, there people people who know this are going to be sowreed because this is one of those cult films it It is a cult film. Ah because it is a found footage film. Um.
04:10.73
jim_phoenix
Cult Thumb Oh no like the Cul rabble me though not the call. Oh that secure I won’t oh yeah, yeah.
04:20.68
booooox
Yeah, from 2017? Um, it’s It’s interesting because it did not actually get a release in theaters. It kind of went straight to video and then didn’t make. Turn a lot of heads and then when it got re-released it started turning more heads because yeah, you know and the funny thing is we all know the blair Witch. That’s like you know that canopball holocaust or like the 2 like main like I know you don’t like it.
04:36.49
jim_phoenix
Straight The video is my jam dude.
04:47.55
jim_phoenix
Yeah, there’s an one. Oh now, No no, no no I Yeah ah truth we told I wrote of people that blare witch.
04:53.42
booooox
But they they’re the 2 main like found footage films in our collective consciousness and wreck huh.
05:04.57
jim_phoenix
Not one that got made I was wondering I wrote a sequel toler which it’s not the one that got made they went that did different direction I made it and just to an urban.
05:09.88
booooox
The book of shadows because that was the the oh ah oh no, no no.
05:22.91
jim_phoenix
I Found bit of the script go it was like I know why didn’t it made So I called the the blur which project.
05:27.45
booooox
Jim now oh, where’s my kazoo. Where’s my where’s my kazoo in this very good. Yes now I have to run.
05:39.96
jim_phoenix
Um, go I hear something is that weird blowing who? Ah, but by a ya yaing.
05:43.85
booooox
Help Ah now I have to run away so you know my location. Um, so let’s actually talk about the movie. Um, it is a fountain finished tap. It is very in the style and of most baby Yoda documentaries.
05:52.30
jim_phoenix
Okay.
05:58.65
jim_phoenix
Oh it’s in the salab be reor.
06:04.76
booooox
Um, that are that have to deal with like um killers or a lot of like true crime people will notice. There’s a lot of beats that it takes off of from those kind of documentaries and stories. Um, so you’re going.
06:09.58
jim_phoenix
Um.
06:13.41
jim_phoenix
Right? Like Hill Street Blues that type of beat.
06:21.88
booooox
Basically you’re going through the story from the detectives that are reviewing the tapes from the people that are involved in the disappearances of people and um, the tapes themselves. No.
06:31.33
jim_phoenix
Okay.
06:38.12
jim_phoenix
Um, oh I thought it was Grandma’s cookcase but it’s actually from the tape not just grandmas cookies. Okay.
06:41.50
booooox
It’s the tapes themselves and the tapes I think they said that there were I can’t remember 600 of them or something like that. They’re just tapes upon tapes upon tapes of button tapes and there’s 1 guy whose job is to like watch them all and um and it kind of talks about that.
06:45.58
jim_phoenix
6 mokad no.
06:57.94
booooox
And it talks about how many of them are this one particular girl named Cheryl Dumpsey who is um, you’re not um, who is taken as a teenager and basically beat into his slave.
06:58.34
jim_phoenix
Dude.
07:03.77
jim_phoenix
It’s me I’m Sheryl debsby.
07:10.50
jim_phoenix
Who care do that’s dark. That’s dark. Why is pain in the cave of us what the hell. So I think I.
07:16.81
booooox
That is dark. It’s That’s why it’s blue you bring him everywhere because he’s your platonic life partner and I still don’t understand it. So it’s an in kind of insidious movie because as.
07:28.58
jim_phoenix
You know it’s just got some et Cs awesomeniffles.
07:36.25
booooox
Watching it, you know because a lot of people are like oh this is a scary one. Oh this is graphic ooh this is creepy. You know I’ve heard I’ve heard this these mentioned several times in several lists from other reviewers from other websites from other places. Yes.
07:49.56
jim_phoenix
Um, really.
07:54.22
booooox
This is one of the ones that always pops up is like oh this is super creepy. This is super like weird and kind of gross and independent. But you know it will keep you up at night, etc etc. So of course now I watch it? Um, so.
08:07.38
jim_phoenix
Um, ah I thought and I was like whatever so I’m interested in what you saw then.
08:13.14
booooox
Okay, well here’s what I saw is as I’m watching it I’m like okay yeah, that’s an interesting story and I like this story. It’s not so much of a story and not so much of a story like study of any 1 person because you don’t know much about the killer.
08:27.96
jim_phoenix
Are.
08:31.95
booooox
And honestly that kind of plays into its benefit much like say black Christmas where you don’t understand Billy at all, you don’t understand the motivations. You don’t understand anything you just know he is there to kill period I’m not talking about the other black christmases and I’m not talking about other.
08:47.52
jim_phoenix
Oh I was thinking of black mass I was like in the one that Johnny Dupp that’s black mass right? Okay orma.
08:48.97
booooox
Poepsie tapes. no no no no yeah um so with this it it is a mystery much like many killer killers in our today times. Are you know like it’s a.
09:04.41
jim_phoenix
Mystery with a hat on a hat.
09:08.96
booooox
Horrible mystery and I think the most insidious thing about this movie is a couple days afterwards you know I would think to myself. Oh you know this reminds me of that one murder that I heard about. And in the back of my mind I would have to be like oh wait. No, that’s a story that didn’t really happen but it’s so believable that and we hear about these stories so often that it’s it’s not out of the realm of possible now some of the kills are over the top.
09:29.37
jim_phoenix
Um, don’t ruin.
09:42.40
booooox
Very over the top. Um, but it’s like okay but you know honestly I’ve heard of weirder stories I’ve I’ve here I’ve heard of these weird stories you know and who’s to say that a killer like this could not exist or has not existed or.
09:54.78
jim_phoenix
Um, I heard this guy you may know.
10:01.20
booooox
Anything like that and I think that is like the most creepy part of it because again, it’s kind of cloying at you because you can go about your day and just be like oh yeah, that’s right I was watching this documentary about this thing and you almost tell people about it like oh I watch this documentary and then you have to stop yourself because you’re Like. No, that was not a documentary that was that was fictional but it was so real and I think they got they did such a wonderful job with it because of that and the actors that they had were so plausible and so um, realistic. Yes.
10:37.49
jim_phoenix
Um, it looks at real people they they could almost need people I like an actor where who are can be people.
10:39.63
booooox
Absolutely yes, absolutely And like there was one interview with the mother and she’s like I met the Killer once I met him like and it actually shows the video footage of that from the Killer’s perspective and she’s like and.
10:49.20
jim_phoenix
Madam Tell everyone.
10:57.59
booooox
Ah, hate that moment every day of my life because I was.
11:01.24
jim_phoenix
Um, sorry there was a Killer’s perspective.
11:05.46
booooox
Ah, and she’s like I hate it because I was so afraid and I did nothing I could have maybe I could have saved my daughter and I did nothing and like that’s just such good writing and such good acting that.
11:16.11
jim_phoenix
That.
11:20.12
booooox
Again, like I would have to catch myself and be like that didn’t really happen. Well not this particular story. No, it’s fictional. Yeah, it’s not I researched it.
11:23.70
jim_phoenix
Or what might have who knows like but how do you know a beauty to research it. How do you know? it’s just not going to go some snuff film. We just watched this faces a death all over again isn’t it that Sam’s honor you know
11:39.16
booooox
It’s It’s oh well, we could do that next time I next time faces a dove because I do have a lot of thoughts on that.
11:41.21
jim_phoenix
Thats we should pick space the death by the way. Damn it we should have pick space so deaf and says a sense of gosh. Damn yeah okay I saw them 8 minutess. Yeah know.
11:55.25
booooox
Have a lot of thoughts on faces of death and I have a review coming up on faces of death because it’s funny. But lets see.
11:58.70
jim_phoenix
Yes, so for Perepsi tapes you’re saying it got you and you’re blue because you were thinking it. It was a real thing and you’re like well yeah, okay, real document.
12:09.94
booooox
Well I got it got me blue because to so to get that far into society to say oh this is a real thing in my brain to be like yeah that sounds that sounds fair. Um.
12:24.60
jim_phoenix
That’s about right.
12:25.73
booooox
Yeah, that sounds about right I mean that’s why it’s blue because it was it was like oh god that poor poor Cheryl and then I’d be like she wasn’t fucking real like um, but in the way she is because shit like that does happen like um the the numbers for.
12:32.27
jim_phoenix
Charles.
12:44.28
jim_phoenix
You.
12:45.54
booooox
Women who are being abducted and sold off as you know, um, sex slaves and things like that is getting higher you know? Um, so it’s not like it’s completely out of the realm of anything that could happen.
12:53.56
jim_phoenix
Yeah.
13:04.43
booooox
And that’s why it made me blue.
13:05.51
jim_phoenix
Well see. You’re just you’re just caring about sex slaves and stuff like that Mr slave and am I on my allowed that I get loud people am I like you’re busing them.
13:14.51
booooox
You’re so loud now. Yeah it I think you’re I think you’re closer to me in the cave I’m going to back off a little bit none I don’t want.
13:25.54
jim_phoenix
Ah, you find me can can you find me in the cave come on go searching. Maybe I’m the Killer. Ah maybe I’m the killer.
13:29.84
booooox
Find you in the Cave I don’t really ah I do anyway. So What I’m going to do is for um. For it being such an independent film. It did so much and I think actually it really did add to the found footage genre and obviously Huh Well shosh Sure it? Yeah but it added to the people’s collective consciousness because again like I said I hear it a lot.
13:50.14
jim_phoenix
Oh I added the film if it added the film I mean come on I. Oh.
14:03.44
booooox
Ah hear it brought up in a lot of different places and um it is it is cloying. So I’m going to give it I’m gonna give it a 4 Yeah I’m Goingnna give it a for her pick for paupy. Yeah poepsy times.
14:04.67
jim_phoenix
Like be.
14:11.31
jim_phoenix
A 4 for pickepie tapes really doesn’t even have sharks in it or that that’s the same here I stand here I fall it all goes.
14:21.49
booooox
Um, but I here I stand here I stand with that’s we don’t have We don’t have license for that now. Ah.
14:30.36
jim_phoenix
Without adderall adderall I think my doctrine give me 1 thing is oh I’m sorry license prescription. Whatever the doctor has have license give me prescription. That’s how it works I know something was licensed well a 4
14:38.53
booooox
Ah, that’s called a prescription. Not a license.
14:48.28
jim_phoenix
And like I have to follow for Damn it all I have is like incest.
14:54.10
booooox
Ah.
14:55.19
jim_phoenix
Step you heard this one is a story about a house that has dragons and a bunch of incest and a bunch of talking and like the the big bad guys like these white walkers but they don’t really appear and like something about children being. Like raped can you guess the the Tv show here.
15:20.23
booooox
Um, I’m going to say stranger things season 20 or wherever we’re at now.
15:24.36
jim_phoenix
Whoo season 20 money for the money. Yeah now I’m doing house of the dragon from the game of Thrones land and might be dragons I don’t know dragon on that’s what the dead.
15:31.50
booooox
The Dragon dragon.
15:40.25
jim_phoenix
If you read any of my write ups for sexly fandom.com if you haven’t why the hell aren’t you probably should. You’re gonna notice that I’m British swear like a motherfucker why I don’t know. Maybe.
15:47.65
booooox
Which he does not swear in he doesn’t swear in oh I Thought you didn’t swear not in there not in there I thought you kept it clean and classy.
15:58.18
jim_phoenix
Me. No, no, no, no, no no I I down the joke saw this not completely ahoish. But I think I do maybe swear I know I don’t always swear that much. Maybe I don’t I don’t know apparently if you do read my Stuff. Do I swear.
16:08.42
booooox
Oh okay.
16:17.61
booooox
Yeah, please, please let us know at a haunted Mtl on Twitter or on Instagram. Yeah.
16:21.25
jim_phoenix
I don’t know. But. Or even tweet sexy fan. My guys. They’ll they’ll probably get do is something that I’m glad I’m reviewing. It’s something that I didn’t mean I did the entirety of games of thrones for them and so to do house of drag and was like yeah I would love to do a house of dragons is awesome. And the first episode is like ah how old is she it gets creepy quickly like this like oh just and you know if you have any idea about the game of Thrones. You know the tark carry tarcanians the the best coach from your novi is Jerry Cartanian tarcanian the targarian.
16:50.58
booooox
Oh yes.
16:59.84
booooox
I Don’t know anything sports now.
17:03.70
jim_phoenix
Thank you nothing sports wise well no, that’s just’s gonna shock you then you know the targarians head in says because that’s what all they talked about for like 16 seasons for game of thrones like well we’re just doing with the dark area. Is it nothing wrong with that. We just walk through each other I don’t care. Whatever whatever. But we didn’t know how creepy it was I mean maybe I didn’t find Jamie and cire creepy having sex. It’s kind of like Luke and Leah like oh whatever, their brother and sister but they’re adults. You know this is like older Uncle Daddy and younger sibling. Cousin this is Alabama Noah fans everyone from alabama all 2 of you sitting around what I assume is like the shared community computer to listen door podcast now coming out on a track by the way just to get to Alabama for you. Okay, we’re can see with that one. But.
17:43.70
booooox
A.
17:58.73
booooox
Yeah I can’t find my kazoo in the darkness.
18:02.41
jim_phoenix
Hey um, because do that’s okay, they can’t read and then dark rafa the dar and I was just with ah I hear it whole on words you kaoo I I hear the kazoo I either or okay pain. Do you ever care? Okay, he says keep Cando. Okay.
18:07.78
booooox
There it is there. It is up now running.
18:21.54
jim_phoenix
So if you are a big game of throne fans. It’s great sort of if you were a big game of throne fans for like oh I don’t know you want to see the dragons I go my God dragons and to starts off with dragons like oh my God It starts off with these dragons. Oh my God Ah oh my God This is be awesome. Ah this is awesome. No.
18:38.47
booooox
No dragons.
18:40.55
jim_phoenix
That’s where it’s stopping. Yeah, it’s like they tease a dragon like ah gonna it’s because the house of dragons. It’s literally fucking title. Oh no, no ming’s drag on it’s like the old aszards ski or Steve bit to drag ons like oh man, no no, no, no, no, no. So yeah, you see it for a bit and then I I have dylexia self identifying I guess whatever. But and so names are very hard for me and especially if names are in fiction where they are like elvish or something like that is like fought the fuck and it’s the third circle of Helic I have.
19:12.66
booooox
Oh yeah, so.
19:17.77
jim_phoenix
Would talk to a friend who’s read the same books as me I’m like hey ah the like who and love Obama like who like you like we have to get the book out and I have to look at the name like oh fuck he’s right? That’s like nowhere near the name I’ve been calling it Susan so if you see my reviews I will call Matt Smith Matt Smith because I’m like dam Damian Damu what the fuck Damon Damiian like ah fuck it and I have to do it live so ah for my head is kind of like the doctor is like raping little girls right now I like that’s a dark turn.
19:54.67
jim_phoenix
That’s a dark turn even for shibol you know, okay, whatever and then like some other guy is doing some stuff and he’s like the only person I really know in the cast and he’s the only person who like that the meme is true either seen the meme where it goes mess Smith broke his back. Carrying the fucking season of house or dragon he carries entire thing when he is not in the series or the show it just drag it just fucking sucks like there’s no redemp. There’s no like oh my god I wonder what this character’s thinking. They’re gonna tell you they’re gonna tell you a great length what they’re thinking oh fuck I wished now I’ve been like at least something like to look forward to and no, they just you know what? what my problem was with stranger things the last season stranger things while they just talk.
20:34.30
booooox
Oh do they didon song like in Disney.
20:47.38
booooox
A lot.
20:50.74
jim_phoenix
Andposition talk and talk is like the fucking last habit movie. We just fucking talk? Yeah yeah, yeah, the only difference from like this is the Kevin Smith truck but the only difference between not not this part umbering off of Kevin Smith where it was like even the trees walk in this fucking show. The only difference between the lower rings right now. And the house of dragon the trees don’t fucking talk in the house of dragon that’s it. It’s it’s just like oh my god I don’t know if they’re doing a world building but the world already built like who the fuck is are are they rebooting it because we we don’t know where how Spiderman got powers way to see them get bit by a fucking spider 13 more times. And we we don’t know how Superman got hit I guess just a sun right? That’s kind of work that it go for.
21:32.23
booooox
So I have a question did did j r r Martin have anything to do with it. Did he write it.
21:43.33
jim_phoenix
You know I have no idea all I know is this character right? here is too old to be married off in the house of dragon. That’s all I know I think he has some sort of input on it. But. God. It’s the political. It’s a political theo. Still it’s like oh it’s branded broken but entire season of Brandon Broken with a little bit of a little bit of sack thrown in a little bit a little bit.
22:17.83
booooox
Well, it sounds like it’s only like it only works when Martin is behind it like again I don’t watch it nor do I care but no, no.
22:19.92
jim_phoenix
A little bit.
22:26.69
jim_phoenix
With a dog style and only works when he’s behind it. You never watched house a dragon or game of thrones or they lucky.
22:37.20
booooox
I read the first book and I was fine with that I was okay, same with Harry Potter I read the first book and I was good to stop there. Um I don’t understand you.
22:44.28
jim_phoenix
Know you path way way, but sorry that was the cave about gro. You don’t like Harry Potter what’s wrong what’s wrong with your.
22:56.38
booooox
I Don’t understand no ah ah it just it never appealed to me um, same with like you know doctor who and stuff like that. Um.
23:05.91
jim_phoenix
Um.
23:16.38
booooox
Ah, just that was your kazoo. Oh god he’s getting closer running. Um but it seems like though to me that a lot more people were happier when Martin was like at the home like he.
23:17.99
jim_phoenix
That’s my kazoo. Ah.
23:29.59
jim_phoenix
Fire. Um, okay if you read the books and then you watch the first couple of seasons game of thrones. It’s the book come to life. It’s like holy fucking shit this is the book come to life.
23:33.49
booooox
Was kind of holding it all together.
23:40.69
booooox
Right.
23:46.95
jim_phoenix
And then when he not even when he stopped writing the book but when he started going off. Script is like oh wait a minute that’s that’s they changed characters. No huge spoilers haven’t seen Gamema Thrones I’m saving some time or naga but.
23:59.78
booooox
I Don’t care.
24:05.55
jim_phoenix
Jamie Lannister in the books doesn’t rape his sister on their dead sons. So talk you know their coffin or I almost said something else, but the the the coffin that they don’t he doesn’t rape his sister on the dead body of their kid in the books.
24:21.50
booooox
Oh that’s that’s.
24:23.65
jim_phoenix
They have consensual sex on the dead by their kid and the movie is like oh no I must I must change his character to make him a rapist like that really changes the fucking character a lot look and we think it wasn’t like a little bit of change is like what the fuck it? Why why? just do that.
24:36.71
booooox
Yeah I mean well again Rape is not her sponsor um, especially on the the poor coffin of your child.
24:43.68
jim_phoenix
It was not.
24:52.14
jim_phoenix
There was no poor coffin is there is like gold I think so expensive Coffin Earth Top coffin.
24:52.60
booooox
Um, let’s put a ah well we’re going to talk about I’m going to talk about Coffins later So I’ll put a pit in that. Yeah Coffin So what is there anything redeemable is the music. Okay.
25:09.16
jim_phoenix
Shit the music is so bad that to the first episode they switched back to the game and thrones theme zone.
25:10.80
booooox
The Cinematography good.
25:17.54
booooox
You Oh God I mean um.
25:19.96
jim_phoenix
The Matt the thing that works Matt Smith Matt Smith work but he pulls a heavy load on this one. No pun onana and that he is the show. The other people are just kind of plastic even the princesses.
25:23.77
booooox
Yeah, sounds like it. No.
25:39.00
jim_phoenix
Sort of okay but it’s things I think the actress for the princess is being I call it a thirteenth doctor effect. She could be a good actress. She could be a great princess in the Targarian line but the writing sucks ass for her. So she’s not getting the actual chance to do anything.
25:56.31
booooox
Plus it could be the direction that she’s given to.
25:58.90
jim_phoenix
Yet, yeah, and that’s whole thing like it should could be wonderful, but just there’s almost a spark and then it’s like oh we’re gonna talk the episode that just aired by the way we record this on the twenty second so it’s the last episode that aired. I believe I called it. 59 minutes of walking and talking like this is not her fault. It’s not the actress fault. It’s the in writing is the director. It’s the show running. It’s a lot of shit’s wrong with it. It’s not their fault so unless the next couple episodes are just firing flame balls and shit it doesn’t help to keep.
26:17.91
booooox
No, no yeah.
26:35.31
jim_phoenix
Jumping in time to a point we don’t know like is this the kid that they were raping before or is that a new person is that that’s her offspring now is the the offspring which is the banam thing later on I don’t know so.
26:40.27
booooox
Move.
26:48.38
booooox
I I do want to point out though too because a lot of times. This is what people get flak on is that like you said it’s not their faults and a lot of times. It’s the actor or the actress that gets the blame put on them. Um.
27:00.76
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah, that’s up here. No.
27:04.93
booooox
And that’s not fair because they’re they’re doing a job and a lot of times you know the director is the one who directs that the writer is the one you know who write I mean it’s ah it’s a full team. It’s not just one person. So.
27:16.38
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah, yeah, um, even when you think the actor in the actor rankk. Wow Man Even the stuff is for me. Ah, if you if think I just like talk like shit then you’re probably right? It’s not the director or.
27:21.70
booooox
Keep that in mind people when you say stuff online.
27:36.39
jim_phoenix
Writer is. But even if you think the acting is plastic sometimes that’s editing sometimes that’s posts they’re just like we we yeah we need background noises to make it us Believe there’s actual conversations. So when you’re saying hello. My name is and there’s like no other noise. It’s just the actor’s voice.
27:41.18
booooox
Oh yeah, absolutely.
27:55.67
jim_phoenix
It doesn’t seem natural so we just know something’s off something is plastic or something that or could be the camera could be able like and either.
28:00.17
booooox
Or it could be Adr like shitty Adr you know? and um I mean like the best example of that is like the room whereas he walks in hide dogggy you know and it just so cut so miserably that it it like you said it sounds so plastic and so.
28:08.33
jim_phoenix
Um, now.
28:16.43
jim_phoenix
There.
28:18.20
booooox
Forced and so bad and it’s really not well. It was his fault but it’s really not their fault. You know there’s a lot of people at play here. So what.
28:27.20
jim_phoenix
Absolutely, it’s the whole thing other redeeming besides Matt Smith no but um and I’m give it a mercy kill right now if it can turn around it. It has a potential to be like a 4 or 5 it really does and that’s the thing that pisses me out like well this could be a great spirit.
28:29.73
booooox
Okay.
28:37.98
booooox
Yeah.
28:42.84
jim_phoenix
I look forward to I think the joke was I look forward to the white Walker the John snows fit off so we can have John snow like snow walking in the snow because that’s how we know I don’t know you could look at the damn joke up I don’t know but I have more I have more. Like hopes for that spinoff now because it can’t possibly worse my remind me but can’t possibly worse in their park I could be hugely wrong like hey not enough rape and then says boy we got that one fix welcome to John’s note but is it’s all that this’s.
29:06.29
booooox
Um, well you could be. You could be wrong. You could be a lot wrong.
29:20.56
jim_phoenix
All the weird like inside jokes like you know the really big bad guy. We have to protect from the white walkers. No no, no, no that they were done like before the end of the season. So um, you really meant a politics was a big bad guy or. You know you know you’re me the lord of Flame. There’s going like no, no, no, we already kind of mentioned that like half second for John snow and we kind of glanced over it or you know these pirates. Oh you mean the entire storyline that’s like a half a book for george r r martin and like completely forgot about literally. Forgotten about even by the characters in the fucking game of thrones going. There’s pi hurtships you know. So with all that stuff. It’s kind of like just it’s self-eprecating I don’t think they’re trying to be I think there’s like really oh look. We’re we’re pointing towards the future like you’re pointing towards the book’s future. But not will you actually cut and aired on Hbo so 2.5 if without Matt Smith this is a one by the way or negative some with Matt 2.5 the end. Yeah, so with that said.
30:20.33
booooox
Okay, that’s yeah, okay, that’s that’s fair that sounds fair, No, it’s gonna get better so much better.
30:33.43
jim_phoenix
It’s gonna get worse from here guys. What I can’t understand it I think sent to sunria. So obviously that’s not the name of the movie San the sanrant. Oh my God time read? Yeah so here’s it.
30:41.54
booooox
Santa Sangre holy blood holy blood that’s what as mum says holy blood. So good.
30:50.95
jim_phoenix
Yeah, no I don’t give me flashbacks here’s here’s the background on this. We were supposed to do a was art camp I art camp. Yeah, we were supposed to do a podcast like 2000 before the pandemic was it 19
30:57.72
booooox
Ah, no, it was oh yeah, no, you’re right? it was art camp. It was hi cam.
31:05.62
booooox
Oh no, it was no during the pandemic it was during the pandemic. That’s when we started doing podcasts was I was getting stir crazy in my house and I’m like Jim I have to do something in my house and so we started podcasting.
31:09.71
jim_phoenix
There. Okay I guess it’s still sort. But yeah.
31:18.60
jim_phoenix
12 hours of but um, that that is true.
31:25.46
booooox
And so I had high art triumph with um, somebody else and ah the.
31:31.77
jim_phoenix
You can Absolutely you know I’m not gonna say you can save the name but the name is and ah there there you go. We said the name.
31:36.52
booooox
Okay, yeah, yeah, so um, this was supposed to be another one that we’re going to do um and because I have the best luck um with co-hosts. Um.
31:50.21
jim_phoenix
Yes.
31:53.36
booooox
That was actually the one that we never actually sat down to do and that was the one that like broke us. Yeah yeah, he watched it I I love this movie.
31:59.76
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that was the guest on that show. So I had to actually watch this fucking movie. Yeah I hated it every second like why is this torturing I mean this is before I was just.
32:10.78
booooox
I Love this movie.
32:14.19
jim_phoenix
When we did podcasting like here’s the money you guys do po what you want like I’ll buy it for and just yeah, yeah, and that was painful experience for me I mean it was you know absolutely care stay help everything and I I have a surprise for you box.
32:17.49
booooox
Yep, like but for song and a dance. That was. I Love this movie. What both? yes.
32:33.37
jim_phoenix
Or jam running I Surprised you all the way from I I got your old cohost back higher campmp. Yeah yeah, that’s why that’s why I brought you to this cave. Yeah, it’s not but.
32:42.62
booooox
Now you don’t yeah ah oh yeah, to kill me I thought it was to kill me and to make a tape out of it and you could call it. The.
32:51.93
jim_phoenix
No, no, no, no, no, no, we we no.
32:59.25
booooox
Cave Ksy Tape Cave tips.
32:59.44
jim_phoenix
Cave Kify Behaves not cave tipsy done. No, but we have none are coming back live right? now you ready say hi.
33:08.19
booooox
I Don’t think I’m gonna like this I don’t think I’m gonna like this what a high I don’t like this.
33:17.81
jim_phoenix
Ah, oh what do you mean? no like us no time no see or something like that I’d like penis I like that dude who played the Goblin Buses name Penis don’t you think Bully is deep.
33:30.94
booooox
I haven’t any I don’t like this.
33:37.10
jim_phoenix
I think we need 3 more episodes on bully do you what do you mean you’t like this I’d still like I don’t like this stuff and stuff is stuff. You don’t like your ear.
33:39.75
booooox
I don’t like this I don’t like this jam Jim I don’t like this I don’t like this I’m calling it I’m calling it I don’t like this. What’s what’s her secret word.
33:56.28
jim_phoenix
Ah, so guess like have like you know funny is I couldn’t remember that the person is out the special guest couldn’t remember what’s his name at Attic guys. No de fo Wow that.
33:56.89
booooox
No banana hammock I don’t like it.
34:08.19
booooox
Will im Defoe willem Defoe yes I did yes I did and is there any other.
34:15.11
jim_phoenix
From Penis you got will in to fall from peanut or to fall.
34:23.10
jim_phoenix
Um I don’t know it was a Roy Bre breath think it’s a bully I get was that the one that had 3 episodes bully oh my god that was what what court squared.
34:26.29
booooox
But yes, yes, and poor core court Sweet innocent sweet innocent court court.
34:35.94
jim_phoenix
Sweet Instant core corps did you hear what she did on that exquisite corpse where she’s like the walls were covered when we are fucking leatherns or like human flesh. Yeah, absolutely her.
34:42.60
booooox
Oh yes, Yes, she’s she’s very gruesome and I love it especially because she says it in such a giggly voice. She’s like and all the walls are. Full of dead skin and it’s crusty and it’s like a guard guard. Ah,, there’s a lot of people.
35:03.90
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah.
35:11.47
jim_phoenix
Yeah, we can’t name who else is on it but we we found a lot about our our staff from that is classic like with the hotel like wait wait. What the question was what’s Yourel. Ah yeah.
35:17.80
booooox
Yeah, those was oh yeah, yep yep, What do you I don’t know what you do at a hotel that was the thing I don’t know.
35:28.17
jim_phoenix
Maybe what the hotel.
35:33.62
booooox
How you talk to people hotel because I’ve never been there. Um, and it’s like what it’s ok anyway anyway days of past Santa Sanria is one of my favorite movies. It’s it’s.
35:34.99
jim_phoenix
I never bit the 1 hello hotel per oh the the this is the treat me because it’s better than santaangria oh Oxford hundred can get deep. Yeah.
35:53.42
booooox
So good. It is so it is and I’m gonna so absolutely say his name completely wrong Show do Row Ski showed.
35:54.22
jim_phoenix
Oh food, the power. Yeah, this is this is the payback for yoga Holdsers I. Okay yeah.
36:03.33
jim_phoenix
No.
36:10.14
jim_phoenix
Total Router Go he don. Um, you know we just come come maybe know.
36:11.13
booooox
Joe do rose key. He was the one who made that al topo and holy mountain. So yeah, we call him baby yodel around here these parts and so it was in um conjunction conjunction. Anyway, it was with um argento he wrote this.
36:29.88
jim_phoenix
Um, oh our gentle ah who I playing you off what? oh hi.
36:31.20
booooox
And Leoni don’t don’t nope come back. No come back? Nope we’re talking. We’re talking about this. So it’s an of guardre horror film and um, it takes place in Mexico and it’s it’s it’s. Really a story about love and how love triumphs all? So basically it’s about phoenix um, who is yes, it’s about you. You know, honestly that would make so much sense.
36:50.50
jim_phoenix
No sure is yeah Jim tell me oh I used to watch to watch this movie. You have closer I have arms though.
37:07.40
booooox
Honestly about you, You do now you do now so his he was a child musician in a circus and um, his father was an asshole and a deadbeat and his mom was a trap.
37:09.95
jim_phoenix
Have arms. It can’t be me I’m in hands. Thanks to John halloy. Um, like Justin Bieber out like meber.
37:26.60
booooox
He’s artist and um, basically there was also um, this little girl. Um, who was a mime and a tight rope Walker and she couldn’t speak and she couldn’t I don’t think she could hear but I can’t remember I don’t know if she was deaf or not.
37:27.36
jim_phoenix
No longer like Justin Bieber
37:39.66
jim_phoenix
So she a mute mime who’s deaf so she was not even a mime she was just just a person which button.
37:46.76
booooox
Cute as a button cute as a button. She’s just cute as a bun. So basically um, um, ah his mom is also a leader of you. You throw? you’re throwing me up.
38:00.73
jim_phoenix
It’s okay.
38:04.94
booooox
She’s a leader of this religious cult which basically it’s Patron Saint is this.
38:10.17
jim_phoenix
Um, is Grandma cookies. The patrons saying his Grandma’s cookies that the total we allll I know right? Awayg Jesus Christ rap not responded about why you picking things right movies by the way.
38:12.12
booooox
I Wish you wish is this girl who is raped and had her arms cut off. So. You you put the dragon house that’s different.
38:28.94
jim_phoenix
That’s a that’s incessuous rape. That’s that’s different you you can was it. You still can’t get abortion for that. Really even for that Jesus Christ or least you can like travel state but you can’t just say travel state lines anymore. How to find.
38:39.62
booooox
No, you cannot know so anyway, um the mom finds out about um because the dad’s having enough affair and um, the mom finds out um and kills them ah the dad and.
38:46.53
jim_phoenix
Um, right.
38:56.80
booooox
Her arms get cut off and um I don’t I don’t remember how I don’t remember how and I don’t I remember that she kept screaming Holy blood.
38:59.48
jim_phoenix
You don’t remember how do you here they go I don’t know if something happens the arms fall off or something I Don know they just black Knighted. It’s the black Knight She had a black night.
39:14.80
jim_phoenix
Holy man sent us a Gliar sanglia.
39:15.20
booooox
Santa San anyway he um the little boy because he sees all this and um, he shuts down. Um, and yeah as one does and he ends up in a um.
39:26.40
jim_phoenix
Um, one dog.
39:34.97
jim_phoenix
O an ass highle sound the sound like the movies is that like Blum house those movies. So I like make file movie.
39:35.25
booooox
And Asylum basically and hey wait We we did watch Asylum on ah on on ah art house if you remember that was the one of my picks.
39:49.67
jim_phoenix
Oh ah, oh that’s the one that had the toaster that I was kind of confused or pain was confused if forgot who actually did it. It’s been a while I don’t know what character with was was pain.
39:58.84
booooox
I think I was paid it was and it was a mixer and me and the other person was like what are you talking about.
40:06.62
jim_phoenix
Oh care that was a mixer. So anyways, jumbbo they had like this like Betty Crocker thing because that’s what women get nowadays bettyracker or somewhere that and it kills everyone that was the entire thing. Yes, oh.
40:17.63
booooox
So anyway Phoenix finds his armless mother eventually after all this time and he goes back to her and becomes her arms. Basically so he is he becomes her arms like literally.
40:35.14
jim_phoenix
Ah.
40:36.90
booooox
Um, and he plays piano for her and stuff like that. So but the whole thing is he’s never he never fully actualizes and of course there’s murders that go on. Yep, that’s him playing the piano. It’s really groovy.
40:39.90
jim_phoenix
Ah, he plays pianni.
40:48.46
jim_phoenix
Um, just and play piano.
40:53.45
jim_phoenix
With no arms. He’s in that what was it 1 movie be with the guy couldn’t use his hands at all, but somehow could play piano and the head Lou Rago but not really and terra reid and also not really the egyptian one but not really momy dearris. Yeah yeah.
40:55.27
booooox
And with well he’s the arms.
41:05.78
booooox
oh oh Mumy Dearest Mommy Dearest yeah so it was a different piano. It was a grand piano. This one was a grand piano. So I’m not going to give away.
41:13.37
jim_phoenix
Was it that good of Piano or is it different piano. Oh Grand Multi Grand Oh you through? no I think can get way everything happens. No one would watch it.
41:22.28
booooox
Everything that happens because we don’t give major spoilers. No no, no, we not we gonna because um I want people to go see if you like if you liked the holy mirror if you like El Topo if you like um, something that is.
41:36.90
jim_phoenix
Don’t see it. Don’t see it. Don’t say it? No no who cares? no.
41:40.86
booooox
Different if you like um, what does what does our gento do um the what does that genre. Why can I not think of that genre. Um, it’s It’s not a spaghetti restaurant but it’s kind of.
41:51.96
jim_phoenix
Almost as spaghetti Western but that’s really wrong if you do like spaghetty weapons. It’s it’s like spitty horror My anold was it gets pumped metal.
41:58.85
booooox
So like that it’s It’s kind of like that. Um, it’s the ah gello if you like chialo Um, you know if you if you like something that’s different give this a shot.
42:10.42
jim_phoenix
Um, that’s not true though I’m like gealo.
42:17.46
booooox
Because yeah I don’t know what to tell you I So I don’t know what to tell you with that. But so now I disagree wholeheartedly. It’s just enough weird to keep you guessing and.
42:17.83
jim_phoenix
Um I like rogueator so much it destroys my relationships and I still hate that movie I think Rolo Gator is a better movie than Santa Andriria or Thangra or.
42:36.61
booooox
It it like I said it’s a love story. It’s a love story and um, it’s.
42:38.26
jim_phoenix
How was roator did de define The the woman they cast and obviously the writer director producer of it.
42:46.14
booooox
Apparently um, and it’s just beautifully like just um Cinema The cinematography is beautiful. The costumes are beautiful. Um.
42:50.19
jim_phoenix
I’m Joe West of those.
42:59.50
booooox
It has that nitty-gritty feel. It’s kind of dark and sad in places but there is triumph and there is you know a deep now. So I am the I I am.
43:05.35
jim_phoenix
Um, ah the comic and talk dog. He’s in it un see him in it.
43:16.86
booooox
Wholeheartedly telling people go see. Go see it like if this is something that you think is interesting is interesting. You I think will like it. Um, now.
43:21.79
jim_phoenix
I’m telling you to masturbate from cheese crater insteaded you’ll have more fun. no I’m I’m so sorry no no no no where is my kazoo walk la. Thank youre okay, it’s put it this way if you like yoga hosers food deb back. You’re gonna hate this movie if you like Jaws which came on on imax again box. Do you see it on imax it came out earlier this year jaws.
43:38.29
booooox
It’s it’s good. It’s very good.
43:52.50
booooox
But oh now no I didn’t see it on Imax I Just saw it at the Redford theater twice.
43:57.39
jim_phoenix
I was watching moonage daydream the they billy one and Imax and they had like preview four jobs. Oh what? if you have ah Imax it might be still coming art towards your way who knows. But if you like any movie that was kind of semi decent. This is not your movie watch house address. This is how much I disliked this way watch house of dragon. Don’t watch here. We go I can agree with this It’s better than cannibal holocaust arguably. Better than that one. That’s it if your choice between cannibal holocaust and what was it Santa Sangria it yeah pick santaangria yeah.
44:42.71
booooox
Santa Sangre oh my god he can’t even guys he cannot even get the title right? So therefore therefore I think point in my direction.
44:53.97
jim_phoenix
Who care? Ah, yeah yeah I would rather watch take Grandma’s and put him where it.
45:10.96
booooox
You love that board. You love that board more than you love.
45:11.80
jim_phoenix
On repeat then watches again. Yeah this what the top 1 is the Za the Zencastr board and I actually have the ah the ro catts are on and you get more into but yeah, sound effects are good for me and.
45:27.80
booooox
I’m gonna say if 4 I’m saying a 4 4 a 4 The visuals are beautiful. The visuals are beautiful. Maybe it is. It’s avantgarde. It’s different. Yes.
45:28.10
jim_phoenix
I don’t do one what no more a 4 Oh my fuck a 4 dude this the endings of de are are better than this fucking movie. Be.
45:45.33
booooox
You’re not going to get your popcorn type movies. Yes, it is. You’re not going to get your popcorn type movie. It’s not a blum house movie Sorry Plum house. But it’s not it is a movie. It has a beginning a middle and an end I know about Phoenix I Know his struggles I know his.
45:47.25
jim_phoenix
That’s me hitting my head on the damn desk. Okay.
45:54.46
jim_phoenix
Um, is that a movie.
46:01.49
jim_phoenix
I Know with you? Yeah, his struggle is trying to watch this fucking movie. That’s his struggle I was money say pexes of me. It has a story.
46:04.46
booooox
Problems and I Know. No, it has has a story and that story is about love and self-acceptance and actualization and determination like individualistic determination.
46:25.19
jim_phoenix
Ah, yeah, yeah, ah no, no, no, no, no, ah skip it. What was’s the score You said a what we did as a form.
46:27.32
booooox
From 1 ne’s parents and from one’s dark past? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sad out. Oh there is this oh I just want to let people know there is a sad elephant death I do want to warn you on that there is animal sad. Sadness. It’s not cruelty. It’s acting no this was in the 80 s okay I gave it a 4.
46:47.69
jim_phoenix
There’s animal cruelty. I don’t think it was acting I think this was before our SpCA. Yeah, yeah, all right? So What did you give it for I’m getting a negative one.
47:05.30
booooox
It is on empires magazine’s list of 500 greatest movies of all time.
47:11.98
jim_phoenix
Fucked that magazine then fuck him right in the ass fuck with and that’s how I’m saying I wouldn’t watch this with Dr Payne paying me paining could tie me to a chair. And put hand sanitizer in places that probably shouldn’t have hand sanitizer and then slap me in the face with mega deaf beer while I watch roller gaator and i’ still pick that option than watching this movie ever again. I can’t tell you how much I dis I’m so sorry. I know you think it’s a good movie. It moved. You was good. It taughts you and that’s art I get it. You know different. That’s why we have this podcast because different people have reactions to they. So so what did I fucking so did I doesn’t mean I’m good.
47:55.80
booooox
It won a bunch of awards.
48:03.49
booooox
A lot more than yoga hosers.
48:04.77
jim_phoenix
You know I wouldn’t walk to Washington I did that wrong but didn’t write yoga hoser I don’t go shit know. But I I I don’t know man I don’t see it a negative one.
48:11.35
booooox
I’m just saying it’s It’s very good. It’s very good. Okay, what are you giving it. You said a negative one negative one.
48:23.64
jim_phoenix
negative One negative one through so as the scale goes from negative 1 to 4 much like my um robot sex style but enough about my cho finish all right? So we had a big old time we i.
48:40.72
booooox
A big old time. It wasn’t fun time. It wasn’t a gay time. It was a just a big old time.
48:43.35
jim_phoenix
You know, let’s get this done is the big old time. What what movie be, we’re into next week or next time together. Let’s let’s get that out of the way because this one was like had pants.
48:53.22
booooox
We yeah, we we said that we were gonna have 1 together. What was it again. We both said it. Ah, we now we said it during the recording we said? yes we did.
48:59.24
jim_phoenix
Shit I forgot what it was. We said it right before we found recording to I thought bad during the recording anyones who’s listening Please let me know what when ire supposed to watch actually that be awesome if it’s just like he me or something like that that we can. Ah.
49:13.16
booooox
You have to go back and like edit it dude. Ah oh my god Jesus. Oh yeah, yay I don’t know well you were the one that it’s like oh we should talk and I’m like oh.
49:16.88
jim_phoenix
I Don’t be off by that’s what then cash for I think it was like some movie were like oh we should probably talk about this one is I think that’s what we like.
49:31.80
booooox
So that is a good movie that we should talk about I can’t remember what it is though anyway. Okay, what are you am I plugging. Okay I have trappist monks.
49:31.60
jim_phoenix
Well Okay, when we listen to playback I’ll go oh that was the movie that was the way yeah has to plus do some plugs box what he got.
49:49.15
jim_phoenix
Oh yeah, where where they do.
49:51.90
booooox
So I said put it put. Ah I said put a pin on on on Caskets So I’m going to come back. So I’m coming back to casket so trappist monks. Um, basically they are they offer and of course you know there are rules and regulations and whatnot but they offer free.
49:56.97
jim_phoenix
Okay.
50:10.68
booooox
Um, or very moderately priced caskets for for bereaved now like free caskets for bereaved. Um, especially and I hate to to say this. But.
50:15.82
jim_phoenix
Do that. That’s a fucking joke less your plan. Um I thought is Dr sign. That’s your flag so they’re offering free caskets. Well.
50:30.22
booooox
Also for children. Um, they do that? Um, like and so and like I said they’re monks so they I mean they hand make these um themselves and they give to back to the people because that’s what you know monks are supposed to do and what not? Um, so.
50:33.45
jim_phoenix
How many chili for but no, that’s ah, that’s what I get for.
50:49.65
booooox
Basically you can go to trappist caskets and that’s trapp istcasketscasketsdotcom and you can kind of look at they got urns. They have keepsakes. Um. Have things like that if you want to give to them. It’s also there. Um, but it’s just it’s it’s such They’re beautiful caskets. It’s a beautiful cause. Um they seem like they they put a prayer on each casket that goes out. It’s just it’s it’s nice It’s nice, especially when people are in a time of need and when people are at 1 of the lowest points you can be as a human after losing somebody. It seems like they really step in and help.
51:37.77
jim_phoenix
I Can appreciate that I can appreciate that and if anyone knows or gone through any type of loss and you you know that undertakers are basically up salesmen. It’s like oh.
51:51.30
booooox
So they can be.
51:54.62
jim_phoenix
Ah, don’t don’t you want this special box that they can never knock now is is still gonna fucking. There’s moisture. So now as the wire is bullshit or don’t you want this special special urn isn’t your love 1 worth it. No I’m pretty sure it’s still pop. But.
52:06.35
booooox
Yeah, wouldn’t Grandma wouldn’t grandma want the satin lined blub blah blah blah blah.
52:12.15
jim_phoenix
Yeah, wouldn’t yeah, don’t you like those don’t you care it doesn’t grand enough.
52:15.85
booooox
Did don’t you want her casket to smell just like Grandma’s cookies well for an extra $200 we can make that happen. Yeah.
52:23.35
jim_phoenix
Um I Want you know we can throw in. It’s like just yeah so I can think I can get beyond that you know anyone who can make things a little bit lesser in price.
52:35.95
booooox
Other.
52:38.25
jim_phoenix
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52:58.19
booooox
Fuck off fuck. Ah.
53:17.79
jim_phoenix
3 pair 0 shows one for hiking and 1 for everyday wear and 1 for running on the on the track on the road I mean and I can’t get enough them. They are the only ones I have a big feet and they don’t sell them in Canada Big enough shoes for me so zero shoes x e r s h o e s dot com you guys are all lovely. And if you act now it’s like 7%. Also why wouldn’t you matter? Of fact, just by their economical ecological and I think that’s ethcentrical statements I ever so a few ba for it beautifully I’m I’m giving the the gift of happy feet. Go so there you have we have cass for kids and shoes our our our plugs have come sometime a long way. They come lot will with my have Trevor projects and like charities. But I guess that one of the parity style but I just.
53:59.58
booooox
And she was.
54:15.32
jim_phoenix
Ah, like shoes. So of that being said I love these sure you know Howard honestly not, they’re wide box and like no I mean they’re theyre wide box the to box they’re they’re wide box for toes and I I can’t.
54:17.24
booooox
Ah, you like these shoes. You love those shoes. Ah excuse me. Ah.
54:33.20
jim_phoenix
Bit most shoes. So I have to like gul up with 3 or 4 sizes just to fit my feetm. These were beautiful that there were the one shoes like oh my god I can actually fit in them. It’s ah it’s a touching thing. So big shoes.
54:43.87
booooox
You know what they say about a guy with big feet. He’s not Cinderella. He’s not Cinderella. Oh.
54:52.13
jim_phoenix
Not in to wrong. Well I am no wickeds tip sisters. So with that being said on the behalf of myself who am I good Jim Phoenix at my special cohost j m branick and like well.
54:58.86
booooox
Her.
55:09.77
booooox
Good goodbye.
55:11.49
jim_phoenix
As we always say if there is a movie you haven’t seen thank god because don’t watch Santa disagree is completely horrible thing good everyone. It’s bad bo what is my booing. What is my booing.
55:20.27
booooox
It’s great. It’s good. It’s so good.
55:28.62
booooox
I.
55:29.45
jim_phoenix
Um, no, not more blood are the gaze are you to boo. Um.
55:38.28
booooox
Yay Santas agree but fail.
55:43.61
jim_phoenix
Um, oh you hear a cat. Okay Bye row on.
What if ours weren’t the only reality? What if the past paths converged, if those moments that led to our current circumstances got tangled together with their alternates and we found ourselves caught up in the threads?
Marla returned home after the funeral and wake. She drew the key in the lock and opened the door slowly, the looming dread of coming back to an empty house finally sinking in. Everyone else had gone home with their loved ones. They had all said, “goodbye,” and moved along.
Her daughter Misty and son-in-law Joel had caught a flight to Springfield so he could be at work the next day for the big meeting. Her brother Darcy was on his way back to Montreal. Emmett and Ruth were at home next door, probably washing dishes from the big meal they had helped to provide afterward, seeing as their kitchen light was on. Marla remembered there being food but couldn’t recall what exactly as she hadn’t felt like eating. Sandwiches probably… she’d have to thank them later.
Marla had felt supported up until she turned the key in the lock after the services, but then the realization sank deep in her throat like acid reflux, hanging heavy on her heart – everyone else had other lives to return to except for her. She sighed and stepped through the threshold onto the outdated beige linoleum tile and the braided rag rug that stretched across it. She closed the door behind herself and sighed again. She wiped her shoes reflexively on the mat before just kicking them off to land in a haphazard heap in the entryway.
The still silence of the house enveloped her, its oppressive emptiness palpable – she could feel it on her skin, taste it on her tongue. It was bitter. She sighed and walked purposefully to the living room, the large rust-orange sofa waiting to greet her. She flopped into its empty embrace, dropping her purse at her side as she did so.
A familiar, husky voice greeted her from deeper within the large, empty house. “Where have you been?”
Marla looked up and glanced around. Her husband Frank was standing in the doorway to the kitchen, drying a bowl. Marla gasped, her hand shooting to her mouth. Her clutched appendage took on a life of its own, slowly relinquishing itself of her gaping jaw and extending a first finger to point at the specter.
“Frank?” she spoke hesitantly.
“Yeah,” the man replied, holding the now-dry bowl nestled in the faded blue-and-white-checkered kitchen towel in both hands. “Who else would you expect?”
“But you’re dead,” Marla spat, the words falling limply from her mouth of their own accord.
The 66-year old man looked around confusedly and turned to face Marla, his silver hair sparkling in the light from the kitchen, illuminated from behind like a halo. “What are you talking about? I’m just here washing up after lunch. You were gone so I made myself some soup. Where have you been?”
“No, I just got home from your funeral,” Marla spoke quietly. “You are dead. After the boating accident… You drowned. I went along to the hospital – they pronounced you dead on arrival.”
“I don’t know what you’re talking about,” Frank said. “What boating accident?”
“The sailboat… You were going to take me out,” Marla coughed, her brown eyes glossed over with tears.
“We don’t own a sailboat,” Frank said bluntly. “Sure, I’d thought about it – it seems like a cool retirement hobby – but it’s just too expensive. We’ve talked about this, we can’t afford it.”
Marla glanced out the bay window towards the driveway where the small sailboat sat on its trailer, its orange hull reminiscent of the Florida citrus industry, and also of the life jacket Frank should have been wearing when he’d been pulled under. Marla cringed and turned back toward the kitchen. She sighed and spoke again, “But the boat’s out front. The guys at the marina helped to bring it back… after you… drowned.”
Frank had retreated to the kitchen to put away the bowl. Marla followed. She stood in the doorway and studied the man intently. He was unmistakably her husband, there was no denying it even despite her having just witnessed his waxen lifeless body in the coffin at the wake before the burial, though this Frank was a slight bit more overweight than she remembered.
“Well, that’s not possible. Because I’m still here,” Frank grumbled. He turned to face her, his blue eyes edged with worry. “There now, it was probably just a dream. You knew I wanted a boat and your anxiety just formulated the worst-case scenario…”
“See for yourself,” Marla said, her voice lilting with every syllable.
Frank strode into the living room and stared out the bay window. The driveway was vacant save for some bits of Spanish moss strewn over the concrete from the neighboring live oak tree. He turned towards his wife.
“But there’s no boat,” he sighed. “You must have had a bad dream. Did you fall asleep in the car in the garage again?” Concern was written all over his face, deepening every crease and wrinkle. “Is that where you were? The garage?”
Marla glanced again at the boat, plain as day, and turned to face Frank. Her voice grew stubborn. “It’s right here. How can you miss it?” she said, pointing at the orange behemoth.
“Honey, there’s nothing there,” Frank exclaimed, exasperation creeping into his voice.
Marla huffed and strode to the entryway, gathering her shoes from where they waited in their haphazard heap alongside the braided rag run on the worn linoleum floor. She marched out the door as Frank took vigil in its open frame, still staring at her. She stomped out to the boat and slapped her hand on the fiberglass surface with a resounding smack. The boat was warm to the touch, having baked in the Florida sun. She turned back towards the front door.
“See!” she bellowed.
The door stood open, empty. No one was there, watching. Marla sighed again and walked back inside. The vacant house once again enveloped her in its oppressive emptiness. Frank was nowhere to be found.
So I guess it’s goodbye for now. Feel free to check out more of Jennifer Weigel’s work here on Haunted MTL or here on her website.
Today on Nightmarish Nature we’re gonna revisit The Blob and jiggle our way to terror. Why? ‘Cause we’re just jellies – looking at those gelatinous denizens of the deep, as well as some snot-like land-bound monstrosities, and wishing we could ooze on down for some snoozy booze schmoozing action. Or something.
Honestly, I don’t know what exactly it is that jellyfish and slime molds do but whatever it is they do it well, which is why they’re still around despite being among the more ancient organism templates still in common use.
Jellyfish are on the rise.
Yeah, yeah, some species like moon jellies will hang out in huge blooms near the surface feeding, but that’s not what I meant. Jellyfish populations are up. They’re honing in on the open over-fished ocean and making themselves at home. Again.
And, although this makes the sea turtles happy since jellies are a favorite food staple of theirs, not much else is excited about the development. Except for those fish that like to hide out inside of their bells, assuming they don’t accidentally get eaten hanging out in there. But that’s a risk you gotta take when you’re trying to escape predation by surrounding yourself in a bubble of danger that itself wants to eat you. Be eaten or be eaten. Oh, wait…
So what makes jellies so scary?
Jellyfish pack some mighty venom. Despite obvious differences in mobility, they are related to anemones and corals. But not the Man o’ War which looks similar but is actually a community of microorganisms that function together as a whole, not one creature. Not that it matters when you’re on the wrong end of a nematocyst, really. Because regardless what it’s attached to, that stings.
Box jellies are among the most venomous creatures in the world and can move of their own accord rather than just drifting about like many smaller jellyfish do. And even if they aren’t deadly, the venom from many jellyfish species will cause blisters and lesions that can take a long time to heal. So even if they do resemble free-floating plastic grocery bags, you’d do best to steer clear. Because those are some dangerous curves.
But what does this have to do with slime molds?
Absolutely nothing. I honestly don’t know enough about jellyfish or slime molds to devote the whole of a Nightmarish Nature segment to either, so they had to share. Essentially, this bit is what happened when I decided to toast a bagel before coming up with something to write about and spent a tad too much time in contemplation of my breakfast. I guess we’re lucky I didn’t have any cream cheese or clotted cream…
Oh, and also thinking about gelatinous cubes and oozes in the role-playing game sense – because those sort of seem like a weird hybrid between jellies and slime molds, as does The Blob. Any of those amoeba influenced creatures are horrific by their very nature – they don’t even need to be souped up, just ask anyone who’s had dysentery.
And one of the most interesting thing about slime molds is that they can take the shortest path to food even when confronted with very complex barriers. They are maze masterminds and would give the Minotaur more than a run for his money, especially if he had or was food. They have even proven capable of determining the most efficient paths for water lines or railways in metropolitan regions, which is kind of crazy when you really think about it. Check it out in Scientific American here. So, if we assume that this is essentially the model upon which The Blob was built, then it’s kind of a miracle anything got away. And slime molds are coming under closer scrutiny and study as alternative means of creating computer components are being explored.
Jellies are the Wave of the Future.
We are learning that there may be a myriad of uses for jellyfish from foodstuffs to cosmetic products as we rethink how we interact with them. They are even proving useful in cleaning up plastic pollution. I don’t know how I feel about the foodstuff angle for all that they’ve been a part of various recipes for a long time. From what I’ve seen of the jellyfish cookbook recipes, they just don’t look that appealing. But then again I hate boba with a passion, so I’m probably not the best candidate to consider the possibility.
So it seems that jellies are kind of the wave of the future as we find that they can help solve our problems. That’s pretty impressive for some brainless millions of years old critter condiments. Past – present – perpetuity! Who knows what else we’d have found if evolution hadn’t cleaned out the fridge every so often?
Feel free to check out more Nightmarish Nature here.
The second half of 2024 was a bit of slow for Doctor Who news. Ncuti Gatwa’s first season finished in June, and the Christmas special was months away. Comics and audio plays continued, and a Blu-Ray set of Season 25 was released – but that was all.
However, what was new and exciting was a spate of unofficial recreations of missing Doctor Who stories from the sixties. Re-animations of missing stories have occurred previously, both officially by the BBC and unofficially by fans. However, animation production time means it’s rare to have more than a few episodes a year. However within the space of six months, forty-four recreated episodes were released, with the promise of more to come.
The reason how so many stories have been released so quickly is artificial intelligence (AI). These reconstructions are Generative AI, funded by professional songwriter, film producer, and fan, Ian Levine. This decision to make Doctor Who AI Reconstructions, to put it mildly, has been controversial online.
But is it worth it, in order to having otherwise missing stories returned to us? I’ve examined many of these Doctor Who AI reconstructions, and the discourse around them, to find out.
In Brief – Missing Episodes
A decent proportion of Doctor Who’s earliest years shockingly does not exist anymore. Doctor Who is one of the BBC’s biggest revenue raisers, and most famous show around the world. However it was not always the case.
When Doctor Who first began in 1963, the idea of keeping media was not really considered. Home video did not exist, and would not exist for two decades. Repeats were rare, due to the costs at the time to store old material and pay people involved in them. Also, old film presented a fire hazard. So it was often disposed of.
Despite this, Doctor Who is fairly lucky compared to other series. Firstly, fans at the time recorded the audio of each story. This means even the first ever Christmas Special – “A Feast of Stephen,” never broadcast internationally or repeated, still exists as an audio.
Doctor Who is also lucky because of only six seasons are not complete. In addition, of those six seasons, only half are missing only episodes from one or two stories. This allows us to get a feel for the early years of Doctor Who in a way fans of other series, like “Quatermass” and “The Avengers” aren’t able to. And part of the reason most of these early seasons survive is due to Ian Levine.
Who is Ian Levine?
Ian Levine professionally is a songwriter and DJ. He has written and produced records connected to such bands as Take That, Pet Shop Boys, Bananarama and Bucks Fizz. His total sales exceed 40 million records.
He is also well known as a prominent Doctor Who fan. There are many prominent Doctor Who fans. The series from 2004 onwards has been largely made by prominent Doctor Who fans of the 70’s and 80’s. Many of these fans contribute to Doctor Who in official ways. For instance, many older fans have written books, or audio plays. All three showrunners for the modern series would be considered prominent fans from the nineties. For Ian Levine, his main contribution is seeking to find and restore missing episodes of Doctor Who.
This work started in 1978 where Levine reportedly requested the permanent halting of old episodes of Doctor Who. At the time the idea of home video was being considered, leading to more reasons to keep old film. Levine also claimed to have rescued the first ever Dalek story from being sent into a furnace. Following this, he began purchasing private copies of the remaining stories, and attempting to return them to the BBC.
He also connected with the Doctor Who Production Team of the eighties in other ways. This included composing the theme tune for the spin-off series “K-9 and Company”, and the protest/charity album “Doctor In Distress.” His was also consulted about continuity during seasons eighteen to twenty-two.
However, he also gained a notorious reputation as obsessive in an unappealing way. During the 1985 Doctor Who hiatus, Levine was encouraged by Producer Jon Nathan-Turner to use protest the decision. Levine argued against the decision on television, and smashed his television with a hammer, and inviting newspapers to photograph it.
So he is fan who has both done great things, but also sought notoriety and negative attention.
More recently, Levene has worked with animating missing or incomplete episodes. This started in 2010 with “Mission to the Unknown.” This was not allowed to be shared or sold due to it being made without BBC authorization. In 2013, Ian hired an animated reconstruction of the unfinished story “Shada.” This version used pre-existing footage and new audio to create a finished product he hoped could be licensed. However, the BBC chose not to. Instead they made their own animated version that was released four years later.
- Join the Doctor (Tom Baker), Romana (Lalla Ward), and K-9 (voiced by David Brierley) as a visit to a Time Lord living incognito on Earth leads to a desperate race to a distant prison planet
- A BBC strike halted filming of this never-broadcast Baker six-episode serial written by “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” author Douglas Adams
- Christopher Neame, Victoria Burgoyne co-star
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Subsequently, Levine made comments regarding Jodie Whittaker as the first female Doctor which were deemed by many to be sexist. Levine responded by publicly quitting the fandom, though later created his own private Doctor Who Facebook group.
This group has now become the location where his AI recreations he has funded and received donations for are shared.
The Doctor Who AI Reconstructions – How to Access
The Facebook Page: “Ian Levine’s Facebook Group” requires an agreement to two questions to join. Firstly, you must agree to respect the right to criticize Jodie Whittaker. Secondly, you must recognise this is Ian Levine’s group for sharing his opinions on Doctor Who. Agree to all this, and you’re allowed in.
Inside the group, Levine has shared around twenty videos. This includesall of “The Dalek Masterplan,” “The Massacre,” and “The Savages.” However for the remainder, you must make a donation of fifty pounds, to become a contributor to the series.
Once your donation is confirmed, you are authorized to join the separate contributors group, for contributors only. This is where all the current videos being made are released.
Except…. None of these videos are unavailable privately. Ian Levine has placed them all on Youtube. They are unlisted, so they cannot turn up in either a Google or YouTube search. However, if you have a direct link or URL to them, they are accessible to everyone. Unlike other systems like Patreon which restrict content to only certain subscribers, nothing stops these links being shared elsewhere.
And of course, these links are shared. In response, Levine has issued threats and warnings against other Facebook groups and leakers trying to destroy his vision. In his group, people support him and join in denouncing those who criticize his work or mock it. People outside the group in response denounce Ian Levine and his supporters.
One thing I hate about internet culture is the push for tribalism. This is the idea we are joined in a selective tribe and must fight the rivals to connect. Over time the views become more strict in supporting your own tribe, and rejecting the opposition, and the middle ground is lost.
In the case of Ian Levine’s group, this is best shown by the view of alternative animations of missing Doctor Who stories. All of these are seen as not as good as Levine’s AI reconstructions. Levine’s reconstructions are seen as the only correct way Doctor Who is meant to be.
Initially Ian Levine’s AI project aimed to complete the ten missing stories not completed by the BBC. The initial project recognised the slow time it took to animate missing stories, and focused on stories that were difficult and costly to animate with people. Very soon after, however, Levine denounced many of the prior animations as “Silly Scooby Doo Cartoons.” The project was quickly extended to include stories previously animated by the BBC. Levine’s argument appears to be Levine’s objections to story changes animation had included. These included adding a surprise image of the Master in “Fury from the Deep”, prior to his debut appearance. Given Levine’s history of making things for the BBC, with the hope the BBC would license them, there have been rumours Levine initially was hoping the BBC would license some of his AI recreations, which has not come to pass.
Levine presents his animations as the most authentic way to view the missing episodes. Therefore appreciation of official animated reconstructions are not allowed. A poster saying they enjoyed the animated version of “The Celestial Toymaker,” was informed by Levine tht anyone who enjoyed the animation was unwelcome. Common responses of new animations being announced are people accusing the BBC of ruining another story. When Levine had a fault pointed out in one of his stories by Frazer Hines, who played the second Doctor’s companion, Jamie, Levine’s first response was to accept that the animation had limitations, but insisted it was still better than any animation the BBC has made. Most of all, posters all reinforce the message that AI reconstructions are the true version of the lost stories and the BBC are fools for not paying for them.
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- The Celestial Toymaker sees the Doctor and his companions separated when they come up against the Toymaker
- While the Doctor plays the Trilogic Game, Steven and Dodo are forced to play their own seemingly childish, but ultimately dangerous games, with the aim of being reunited and getting back to the TARDIS
- Who will be the first to make a false move in this battle of wits, and will the TARDIS ever escape the Toymaker’s snare Fans of Doctor Who have long lamented the loss of the original 1966 master recordings of all except one of The Celestial Toymaker
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In response to this, or provoking this, depending on your point of you, external Facebook groups and YouTube channels are highly critical of the AI reconstructions. Some videos see them as threats, preventing the BBC from every investing in animation involving real people. Some hav dismissed the project as a scam.
So with such strong opinions on both sides, it’s time to actually watch them.
The AI Reconstructions
My first response on watching is they’re not that bad, but they’re not that good. Animation varies wildly in quality from story to story, making it hard to tell an overall trend towards or away from quality. However there are some good examples of how to recreate a story. “The Massacre” and “The Dalek Masterplan” for instance are incredible to watch. “The Savages” on the other hand is laughingly bad.
I chose to mostly focus on the stories not yet officially animated, so as to judge these stories by their own merit rather than compare to other animated versions of the same stories. However, it’s interesting the similarities that occur between the official animations and AI reconstructions. Non human characters (Particularly Daleks) look and move great, but people largely do not.
Animating People
Across most forms of Missing episode recovery, whether AI or human drawn, the difficulty is always animating people to show emotions and movement. Many of the official BBC animations often leave characters looking like stick figures bobbing up and down.
However one of the key things the official reconstructions provide is consistency. A human being develops a pre-existing model for characters, and because of this, these characters stay consistent over time.
AI on the other hand appears to forget things, or lose focus unless properly guided. People’s faces can change dramatically from shot to shot to the point, as in “The Savages” characters can be unrecognizable. This means, unlike with official animations, I often had to follow a story summary to figure out what was going on.
AI also forgets smaller things that make people seem human. In “The Highlanders” for instance the Doctor’s companion Polly does not blink for most of episode one, despite being in shot. This is a small detail, but throws the story into the uncanny valley – characters involve look like people but they feel wrong based on how they act.
Movement is a struggle for all reconstructions because human movement is difficult to animate. Once again, “The Massacre” demonstrates small examples of movement than seem fluid, particularly in the first episode. “The Savages” on the other hand has main characters seemingly to perform scissor jump spread legged when the script call on them to walk.
How the animation occurs
Having watched many of these animations, some of means AI generated these reconstructions became clearer. A lot of these animations, especially some of the later ones, do not actually generate much new material, instead using existing material in different ways. The First Doctor saying goodbye to Susan in the TARDIS, from Episode 6 of the Dalek Invasion of Earth, for instance is frequently re-used. This scene is redubbed multiple times in the reconstructions, when a missing story needs a scene of William Hartnell standing alone in the TARDIS.
Another method is using the telesnaps, and slightly animating the mouth and face. This creates a sense of fluidity and movement, but a very limited one. This is particularly noticeable in the Space Pirates. The resconstructions rely on switching between static photos of one cast member with mouths moving. On the one hand, this is no worse than the telesnaps, but the telesnaps were aware of their limitations, so often would use narration or subtitles to fill the gaps. However these reconstructions are presented as the most life like renditions of the missing episodes. As the original story did not have subtitles or narration, therefore, they are not allowed. As a result the story is incomprehensible.
Benefit – it exists
But despite the complaints, there is a significant benefit in these reconstructions. And that’s the fact that they exist.
Currently nine missing stories have not been officially animated by the BBC. I would love for all missing stories to be animated. However, the reality is most of the stories remaining might be too costly to animate.
Of the nine stories, six are pure historicals – stories with no science fiction elements apart from the TARDIS and its crew. These stories tended to have a larger number of human characters than stories with monsters, and a human being with their range of emotions is harder to animate than a Dalek.
Historicals also tend to have more detailed and complex scene change. A story in the future can replicate cold, grey corridors throughout a space colony. Historicals however must recreate significant locations in the world at particular times in history. Having to recreate 15th century France, for instance, is made up of multiple distinct locations. This makes historical stories more time consuming and therefore costly to animate. Therefore, despite stories being reanimated for almost twenty years now, the total number of historical episodes animated have been two – both missing episodes of the Reign of Terror.
For the remaining three stories, the limited human cast and isolated space station locations makes Wheel in Space relatively simple to animate. The Space Pirates, may also be animated as the story focusing mostly on space ships should make some aspects of the design easier to manage.
That just leaves The Dalek Masterplan¸ a massive twelve episode story, with a one episode prequel, where the Daleks chase the Doctor throughout time and space. The cast is huge, and while it is not a historical, the story would require animated sets of ancient Egypt during the building of the pyramids. None of this would be easy to do on the current BBC animation budget.
Therefore, it appears of the remaining nine missing stories, only two are highly likely to be animated.
And this is where AI can play a role. As AI does not rely much people, it means the costs to recreate a story like the Dalek Masterplan is significantly easier and cheaper than hiring a production studio to make it. While the end result is not as good as a professionally animated episode, for stories where hiring professional animations is not feasible, this is one way for people to observe a version of a story we otherwise cannot access.
Ultimately the frustrating thing about these reconstructions is they’re not allowed to be what they are. If they were simply an attempt to make otherwise lost stories more accessible, without any pretention or idea of superiority they would be fine. There are no shortages of fan made reconstructions, which vary in quality, but are all warmly received because they don’t pretend to be more than fan made animations. They are no better or worse than any other reconstructions.
If Levine’s reconstructions were presented with the same humbleness, the response would be more positive. If Leveine would present it as a project, and be accepting of others not needing to accpet them, there would be less retaliation online. But they aren’t presented as a fun way to view a loss episode. The reconstructions are presented as the only correct way to view the stories, superior than any other effort. In fact, he considers the stories no longer lost due to his AI reconstructions.
But by doing so, he puts the reconstructions on a pedestal of perfection. But they aren’t perfect, not by a long shot. By Leveine presenting these as perfect, he ultimately encourages people to notice how they are lacking by comparing to perfection. In comparison, more humble attempts of reconstruction, by presenting themselves as not the best, encourage people to notice what they do right.
So, try to enjoy the reconstructions for what they are. Some are surprisingly good – especially The Dalek Masterplan and The Massacre, and it’s a chance to see stories animated that you may not get to see animated elsewhere. But try to filter out all the rhetoric about how amazing and perfect they should be, and just enjoy them as they are.
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