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The Top Horror of 2023 show caps off our year that’s seen some great and not-so-great moments of horror. Join the Demons as they, with their special guest Daphne Fauber, explore the top picks of horror tv and film in 2023. Will your favorite make the list? Mayobees! Have a seat and find out!

This is the last podcast of the season for Streamin Demons, but never fear, we will be back with Season 3 in late January with oodles of surprises including….(spoilers) a special guest spot by someone with the initials T.R. All this and more on the next (season) of Streamin’ Demons!

Top Horror of 2023 transcript

00:00.12
jim_phoenix
Ones? hey everyone Jim Phoenix here and this is the end. Oh of our 2023 streaming demon season. This are special for New Year’s evil or is that trademarked I don’t know New Year’s eve we’ve got special guests. We’ve got special announcements. We’ve got so. Special k which I think is still a serial I’m not sure all that a more ah nexttremon demons hit it.

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01:00.84
jim_phoenix
I think we’re good hey everyone Jim Phoenix here and boy we’ve got something planned for you today. So welcome. This human demons hit subscribe or like or for this to everyone I don’t know supposed to say it now or later later. Whatever we’ve can say whenever I’m saying it during my reviews.

01:13.48
box they_them
You can say it whenever just say it say what’s in your heart say what’s in your heart and subscriptions please subscribe.

01:19.95
jim_phoenix
Say this one my heart don’t Boom Cholesterol Really want to fee it cholesterol and subscriptions as you subscribe my ldl goes down unless that’s bad which I don’t know it might be probably something does something.

01:30.14
box they_them
I would wait. It does something good.

01:36.94
jim_phoenix
Today we’ve got the end of 2023 recap the best sort of horror I can see the works of 2023 ish and there’s a big ish we have a special guest. We’ve got box my forever cola say hello.

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01:50.70
box they_them
Hi.

01:53.31
jim_phoenix
We got a special guest directly from the website and their own little smash story the ballerina Daphne fabers and and know lo and of course my sub Jim Phoenix today o box know what today is who care when today is see you wouldn’t like.

01:59.27
Daphne
Hello.

02:06.53
box they_them
Yes, it’s a special day. You promised me you promise.

02:09.84
Daphne
So.

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02:12.90
jim_phoenix
Pain. No I said pain wouldn’t do the list and you’re right because knowing pain you probably said we thought the best horror of twenty twentieth and his like be all porn almost like that he does repeatedly so we ain’t gonna talk to pain today or Mc Mcgee because my voice can’t.

02:19.49
box they_them
Yeah, he always He always gets that confused every time.

02:30.28
box they_them
Thank God I mean.

02:31.68
jim_phoenix
Make me year and now to be honest. The now so we are special guests I love it because that way I can be lazy I can kind of like fluff off a bit and we’re doing 4 movies each like 1 1 1 one like a top four or top third top 2 and then top one and it’s gonna be a de mash but a top 1.

02:52.62
box they_them
Something like that.

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02:54.71
jim_phoenix
Dig it I love it and these are all the movies. None of us got paid to say these things obviously because we’re gonna probably trash these a bit but now we love all these moves sort of.

02:55.22
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

03:04.62
box they_them
I I I love my movies I went through a list and I checked it twice I checked it twice and ah unfortunately Cocaine Shark is not on it this year

03:07.65
jim_phoenix
You made a list. So did I let’s call Google oh no, not coca sha I like carcaine shark I saw so many sharks thing.

03:19.49
box they_them
Yeah.

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03:25.25
jim_phoenix
I have a Christmas person for you I don’t know what I yeah it might be cocaine sorry did you look inside of your shark by the way I’m not saying cocaine but it good. Don’t don’t open that up. It’s actually just a thing allegedly yes I would not.

03:25.32
box they_them
Is it a cocaine shark. It might be.

03:35.48
box they_them
But it could be allegedly.

03:43.67
jim_phoenix
Why would I like pack a art sculpture of Shark with cocaine and send it to you. That’s insane with what I just get the piece of delivery guy. It probably is. Oh.

03:47.48
box they_them
Yeah I mean that sounds like something you do oh you know what? it sounds like though it sounds like something that being Gen x.

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03:47.91
Daphne
Yeah, it. It’s actually asbestos not cocaine.

03:59.44
jim_phoenix
It should be surviving gen x thanks for plug surviving gen x by Joe shapchak get it now as the critics call it. Oh shoot the critics actually call it oh shoot the critics actually like it some people hate it. Some people like it I don’t know go get it except you’re my mom never read it.

04:04.32
box they_them
Surviving Don what.

04:04.73
Daphne
Like.

04:09.19
box they_them
Oh shoot.

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04:16.28
box they_them
Yeah, no, and my mom also never beat. No oh the cool moms.

04:18.99
jim_phoenix
Ever. No mom should be actually some moms have to read this obviously the but not are combined really well he oh I’m a son your Mama I will send one down to your mom.

04:25.85
Daphne
My mom would yeah my mom would probably like it if we’re being honest.

04:29.57
box they_them
Oh well, there you go good. A good little treat. Yeah phrasing.

04:36.54
Daphne
Are.

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04:39.72
jim_phoenix
Ah, we’re still thephrasing good for us. So welcome to the to the nonplug show to all the plug shows I don’t know it’s been a weird ride this is season 2 3 what is this end of 3 end of 2 beginning a 3 no wait.

04:49.15
box they_them
I think so end of 3 I believe I believe end of ah ah around a area around here.

04:57.22
jim_phoenix
How long you’ve and you and I’ve been doing for year and I did one on the ev. Okay, so this is the end of season 2 going to season 3 episode 70 if you didn’t see episode 69 it’s because I didn’t cut it yet that that’s why I don’t know is that a valentine’s day show. By this point is that it’s it gonna be all.

05:11.51
box they_them
Ah.

05:14.19
box they_them
I think it’s a I think it’s going to be 1 of those random shows where I’ll wake up one day and I’ll see that it’s on and I’ll dread that day. Don’t know that’s and that’s.

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05:16.37
jim_phoenix
Triple X and list.

05:20.52
jim_phoenix
Just be out just be out it be for your birthday. Oh now that would I don’t know I’ll I’ll put it out sometimes I’ll put it out sometime all right? So special guests welcome to our. Very organized end of the year end of the century not century just end of the year I guess I’ve I’m way ahead of myself now. Yeah, and as we are lazy I’m lis on leasley our our format is we we were go go through talk about it.

05:41.29
box they_them
Um, ah you are Wan.

05:41.84
Daphne
Yeah.

05:55.63
jim_phoenix
Spoiler free as you can spoiler free as you can and then at the end we do cthulus out of 5 sounds all right like five klu is being great negative bazillion being your I don’t know was a cannibal holocaust I think those negative bazillion kath through those but you know usually.

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06:09.21
box they_them
Yeah, you did not like it. Yeah, you did and youth you hate the vivich too.

06:13.57
jim_phoenix
And I hated it but I don’t hate very many movies. But I found one I did I just didn’t okay no I didn’t hate the vivich I Just think thing goes horror I like it for what it is a good movie. It’s It’s a good psychological drama. It’s not horror.

06:17.81
Daphne
Shoot.

06:30.36
box they_them
Has the devil but okay gone it does Anyway, we are.

06:32.90
jim_phoenix
That that’s why don’t who doesn’t have a devil I have a devil on my shoulder. Ah the okay we’re getting off track again to true, but because I am lazy and box is ah, not lazy about polite. The box is just polite.

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06:44.88
box they_them
And I’m just I’m just over here I’m just watching I’m having a good time.

06:51.73
jim_phoenix
Having a good and and and oh I was listening to queen today. So daphne you may go first. What’s number 4 for you. What’s number 4 movie for you or show or you know.

07:00.36
Daphne
Um, yeah, also that you know I’m young I got a lot of horror to catch up on so I’ve mostly been watching classics this year and so I couldn’t actually come up with. 4 things that I came out in 2023 that I watched so my fourth number four which I watched this year for the first time is the ninety ninety five movie species starring Alfred Molina

07:21.15
jim_phoenix
Um, yes.

07:27.63
box they_them
Um.

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07:32.71
Daphne
And other people but Alphad Moina is you know the main person you need to worry about I think um and it’s about oh sorry if you want Yeah, it’s about an a you know a smoking hot Alien Babe who is desperately trying to procreate.

07:35.10
jim_phoenix
Okay, no, no, no, it’s about what.

07:43.95
box they_them
In here and here.

07:48.48
jim_phoenix
That was the Tasa hintridge right.

07:50.80
Daphne
With any you’re gonna make me look this up.

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07:54.47
box they_them
it was not Sharon Stone sadly it was not Sharon Stone it’s sexy alien babe.

07:54.59
jim_phoenix
Um, ah oh not shen stone but it’s Natasha right? Alfred oh no ellfred Malina’s in it. Oh I see where you’re saying oh I thought alfred oh did he play.

08:02.59
Daphne
That sounds correct. Yes.

08:13.21
jim_phoenix
Octavius is that dock ock al I marnna no okay, it’s dot cock. Okay, so dock ox hit it and then the Tasha Hedridge is in it. Okay of as he is and okay, so now I remember as ah 9095 this is the beginning of a lot of the them.

08:13.67
Daphne
Yes, this a dark doc. Yes, get okay I worse Whitaker is also in it.

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08:24.77
box they_them
As he should be.

08:32.10
jim_phoenix
I don’t think he was doc o quite yet 95 and atasha is first starting out. Okay at Michelle Williams well this has a lot of people you missed this since like 20 years or 30 I can’t do math. Oh.

08:33.40
box they_them
Now No no, no.

08:33.40
Daphne
No no.

08:41.64
Daphne
So yeah, to be fair I am 24 years old

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08:45.47
box they_them
Um, oh such a baby I mean I mean an adult just like us right? Jim.

08:50.12
jim_phoenix
I’m so sorry that I’m gonna ah sorry I actually fell my hit my head on the sensor bun as I saying something.

08:56.20
Daphne
Um.

09:00.70
box they_them
No, we’re totally that young right? Jim no cap.

09:03.00
jim_phoenix
Oh yeah, of course I I just don’t use moisturizer see this hey folks at home always moisturize. Otherwise when you’re 24 you will look like this. Yeah.

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09:08.58
Daphne
Yeah, yes.

09:09.91
box they_them
Yes, yeah.

09:15.96
Daphne
Yeah, so I’m so I’m I’m not had very many years to catch up is all I’m saying so yeah, um I read the description.

09:20.12
jim_phoenix
You can do it you you catch up So what made you want it. But what what made you want to do this one of all the ones in the.

09:22.33
box they_them
Yeah, it’s only it’s only a few.

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09:33.49
Daphne
On Hbo Max Now Max um and I said that sounds like a hilarious movie and also has allfre malina in it which my husband loves and so I said hey Hank you want to sit down and watch this movie about alien ba yeah sexy alien babes he said.

09:49.66
box they_them
Sexy Aliens that’s like omega wanting to have babies a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:53.25
Daphne
Let’s do it.

09:58.40
Daphne
Yeah, totally try the perfect mate. Yeah.

10:00.10
jim_phoenix
Omega, having babies lot Wait didn’t she eat people. Okay, um, um I don’t think that’s a spoiler I Think that’s actually the whole tagline of the movie. We we people. So.

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10:05.35
Daphne
So yeah, it’s kind of like a pretty Mantis deal.

10:05.45
box they_them
Now.

10:14.51
Daphne
Yeah I mean lots of people dying was moving.

10:14.88
box they_them
So was it was it as sexy as you thought it would be.

10:23.60
Daphne
Um, so my knowledge of like ninety s and eighty s movies is that it like if it if there’s going to be boobs in it right? and like a hundred percent and so that was unsurprising.

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10:31.87
box they_them
Yes.

10:39.76
Daphne
Um I think there are some moments where I was like huh I guess you can do this in a movie. Some things are very um, yeah, a lot of skin a lot of skin. But yes.

10:45.38
box they_them
Um I think.

10:47.32
jim_phoenix
I Need to rewatch this.

10:52.36
box they_them
Let’s get.

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10:52.82
jim_phoenix
Really and species.

10:58.50
Daphne
I don’t know how much you want me to spoil but Alfred Malina gets it on. Yeah, all 8 of his tentacles. Yeah yeah.

11:01.19
jim_phoenix
Oh really, oh with all 8 of his arms. Wow is is his now turned into species part 2 the hentai I like it I actually there issues I think I just saw that like there actually is a special and a three and a third

11:06.41
box they_them
Okay, okay, you’re selling this.

11:15.38
Daphne
I Mean there is a second one. So.

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11:16.14
box they_them
There isn’t oh that’s gotta be.

11:19.41
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

11:20.20
jim_phoenix
Ah, third in 2004 oh god I think that the tire earths populated by now of all they speak I so do you remember? if this is um, practical effects or cgi from 95 okay

11:26.42
Daphne
Yeah, so.

11:35.31
Daphne
A lot of us practical effects I think it’s almost exclusively practical effects. It looks like super fun and good like I was very impressed. Um I think it’s held up really well and the other thing I like about it a lot is that it’s almost like a.

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11:38.54
jim_phoenix
Really, that’s cool now that hey I.

11:50.68
Daphne
Buddy caught movie in the sense where it’s like force whitaker and Alfred Malina and the lady from Csi Miami um and Michael Madson all team up and they’re like all specialists from different fields like Force Whitaker is like a psychic. And like 1 of them is a biologist and 1 of them’s a psychologist and like you know one of them is just like muscle right? and so they all team up and are hired by the government to track down this alien babe and and kill her before she procreates and ah, it’s like so.

12:08.60
jim_phoenix
Oh my god.

12:24.90
Daphne
Refreshing because they all instantly have such amazing chemistry because I know like typically in the team up movie. They have to be like you know assholes to each other and then like grow like oh we like each other now. But that’s exhausting in this movie. They’re like instantly all best friends and they love each other.

12:26.39
jim_phoenix
As one does.

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12:27.79
box they_them
Shaw.

12:32.20
jim_phoenix
Yeah.

12:42.20
box they_them
Ah.

12:43.35
Daphne
And there’s so much chemistry and it’s so nice. It does watch them just have that. Um.

12:47.50
jim_phoenix
Well, it was 95 we we actually did like each other that back then yeah, things dramatically changed I blame millennials personally your zoom oh thing and it’s right I know how old you are.

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12:50.67
box they_them
Yeah, yeah, things changed.

12:54.75
Daphne
Ah.

13:00.42
Daphne
Um, yeah, well I’m a zoomer. So um.

13:01.20
box they_them
Um, Pardon she is I know because she’s young. So I’m the only millennial in the room ass.

13:06.34
jim_phoenix
Off stop stop I can’t la la la la la la kid here can was miss. Ah well, you know what we say you like surviving millennial. You can’t do that so surviving giant next door and that’s a good name so you you picked this out and it’s 95 it’s like a buddy film I dig is chocolate.

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13:17.60
box they_them
I.

13:25.18
jim_phoenix
Wait was chocolate chip. Charlie is chocolate chip Charlie in it I think is a reference from um the is that from the stuff is box is that the stuff Garret Morris is Garrett Morris from the stuff if you haven’t seen the stuff that’s another. Yeah yeah, yeah, put that one on.

13:26.20
box they_them
Now.

13:28.32
Daphne
I Don’t know who that is but.

13:32.63
box they_them
It’s from the stuff. It’s from this stuff. It’s a fun one that that one’s a fun one I don’t think there’s boobs in that one now. Unfortunately.

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13:44.73
jim_phoenix
But it’s fun enough of the bu bottom so you are seeing this and species. It is Natasha’s first movie by the way that that’s test actually her premiere is kind of like now you said it holds up.

13:51.79
Daphne
Maybe.

14:00.53
jim_phoenix
Would ever come out in 2000 would you see this coming out in 2024 I guess like would a movie like this ever exists again like ever exists again.

14:05.11
box they_them
Like gay.

14:07.13
Daphne
Um, I mean it kind of reminds me of that one like weird movie I’m sure remember what’s called about the scientists who make who are the couple they’re scientists and they make.

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14:22.23
box they_them
Yes, it’s yes yep.

14:23.19
Daphne
Called splice or something Yes, splice would they make a baby yes and then it’s like a weird Alien baby. Yeah yeah, it kind of reminds me of that. Um, but like way more entertaining and less messed up. Um I know we’ve been honest.

14:35.92
jim_phoenix
Burial.

14:36.63
box they_them
Ah, that should be the tagline.

14:40.56
jim_phoenix
I’m pretty sure it’s a tiggling my marriage sorry.

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14:40.64
Daphne
Um, but I think yeah yeah I think if it came out today. It would be I mean I think the effects wouldn’t be as impressive I like I mean some it’s kind of weird. Oh she has sorry her nipples are tentacles and so when I.

14:43.40
box they_them
Missing.

14:50.96
jim_phoenix
Tonight.

14:55.23
box they_them
Again, you’re selling this. You’re not not selling this. Okay.

14:57.77
jim_phoenix
Um, really.

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14:59.47
Daphne
But yeah and music it and she turn it I know I I like it. That’s why it’s my number four out of out of all the movieoies I’ve watched this year so yeah so she when she turns into her alien form her nipples become tentacles and they around and smack pupil.

15:12.47
jim_phoenix
I I dig that as one should I think that’s gonna be great on a poll. But I yeah.

15:17.22
Daphne
And I think would we see that today I don’t know it would look worse. It wouldn’t have as good. You know it’s all practical effects technical nipples.

15:24.30
box they_them
Go ahead.

15:24.56
jim_phoenix
And that’s the thing the the cgi would break up if like the hulk when they couldn’t see his arm for a while I will tell you this when Natasha was in this film she was closer to your age. But now we’re talking about the film. She’s closer to my age. That’s how long. Yeah.

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15:38.76
Daphne
Um, yeah, time isn’t it crazy.

15:43.80
box they_them
Dad So weird.

15:44.39
jim_phoenix
Time how it goes forward like that. But it’s you’re kind of like seeing like a before picture of people I dig that I think we should go and watch more older movies like the older it was from 95 oh no boy come on man. Oh.

15:55.41
Daphne
Um.

15:55.79
box they_them
These yeah no, if no remember Jim remember we’re all so young. Yeah, those really really old movies like was any yeah is anybody still alive from the 90 s I don’t know 19

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16:03.30
jim_phoenix
The old movies from the 90 s the 1900 s but the movies boxing me from the nineteen hundreds right you know those movies from the nineteen hundreds eighty nine now. But okay I digg it I think we should go what what kind of cthulah reason.

16:07.79
Daphne
I.

16:14.60
box they_them
1890 s

16:19.99
box they_them
3 reasons.

16:21.77
jim_phoenix
Ah, rating would you give it reasons.

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16:24.10
Daphne
Um, ah um I think it’s like and the level. So it’s not like a high cinema I can’t stress that enough but I would recommend it to anyone I’d say 5 cados could you lose it was an enjoyable.

16:34.75
jim_phoenix
Cool gosh.

16:35.58
box they_them
What.

16:38.33
Daphne
Experience I Loved it I Would recommend it to anyone.

16:40.18
jim_phoenix
Um, that’s amazing. Ah, this is also like our best of it was like I give it. It’s kind of like Voo like this is the best of list I give it one this your best off list. No five eye fits god I’m not following a 5 I’m sorry I kick it.

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16:44.37
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

16:50.58
Daphne
Yeah, yeah, no yeah, you watch it. You see the tentacle nipples whip it around and you tell me it’s not a 5 out a 5 movie so I’m saying.

16:58.48
jim_phoenix
I no I’m not following 5 I’m I’m going to put this on my box set with the first resident evil boxset or the first president needs movie dang right? It will.

17:01.10
box they_them
I mean that sounds like a 5 out of 5

17:12.50
Daphne
I also love the first of rosa day evil movie.

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17:17.80
jim_phoenix
The unedited res evil movie because box and I have both learned that the 1 streaming is quite disappointing for 1 reason very disappointing on the yeah which I asked the god one box it like there’s ah like there is like there’s no way.

17:18.50
box they_them
Yes, it’s very disappointing sans Beaver which was rude.

17:32.69
box they_them
I I know a beaver when I.

17:33.35
Daphne
Um, yeah, but.

17:33.36
jim_phoenix
I Saw it in a theater I wouldn’t remember that like I know be right? What? But when I watched it on screaming like box is not there I’m sorry like I don’t know tell you I think you’re just like making stuff up and I had to actually buy the dang movie on. Yeah.

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17:50.20
Daphne
You.

17:50.65
jim_phoenix
So we have this as a 5 I’m not following that oh box you’re up what’s your for 1 What’s your fourth one.

17:54.89
box they_them
Okay, all I’m trying to lick up but I actually gave it I can’t find it oh there. It is no, no, no, no, no summit so manying Sylvia summoning Sylvia.

18:02.12
jim_phoenix
As you’re looking for it I see a phone call but I’m ignoring. It’s probably just Bigfoot.

18:11.88
box they_them
No please no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we’re not going to know. It’s a new year new us we’re not going to take it. Okay I did give it? Yeah okay I knew what I gave it? Okay, it’s sodomoning is yep for.

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18:12.64
jim_phoenix
It says Terry Reid on the caller id but I don’t know man I take it you know this year yeah summoning Sylvia there’s a movie call within.

18:29.20
box they_them
2023 we actually got it as the screener for a site.

18:31.12
jim_phoenix
We did ah from whom I mean give her eyes a thank you arrow Collective Shu collective. Yeah.

18:37.49
box they_them
Good for us. We get screeners. Yeah, the horror collective I think gave it to us.

18:47.60
box they_them
Yeah, yeah, good for us. It was justin good old Justin yeah, he’s he’s great. He always gives us the good stuff he does so this is my number four and i.

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18:49.21
jim_phoenix
For us. Oh yeah, thank you Justin I know for real. Absolutely.

19:02.89
box they_them
Watched about 15 movies 16 movies in that were new in 2023 so again I’m coming at it really from the best to the best.

19:09.88
jim_phoenix
But you wrote only one review I’m messing if You’renna get Nano What I yeah.

19:13.35
box they_them
What yeah you are messing with me I’ve read a lot of reviews this year I mean not tons. But anyway anyway summoning Sylvia it’s it’s actually very cute, funny and heartfelt movie about 2 men.

19:21.92
jim_phoenix
Somebody? yes.

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19:29.51
box they_them
Who are going to be getting married and so one of the men is going to go have his What is a groom’s night out. What what do you call that bachelor party. Yeah, and so it’s all him and his friends and they’re gonna go out to this haunted.

19:37.16
Daphne
Bachelor party.

19:37.70
jim_phoenix
That you yeah.

19:46.80
box they_them
You know like bed and breakfast type thing and they’re just gonna have a good time butmp womp his fiancee’s straight angry brother shows up as well and so they have to try to incorporate him all while getting haunted and trying to solve the mystery of who Sylvia is. And why she is there? No no, they’re just they’re going to have fun. They’re just there to have fun and and drink memosans.

20:07.19
jim_phoenix
Um, is there a dead hooker. Oh that’s not bachelor party.

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20:17.34
jim_phoenix
Um, oh I think man Tom Hanks will be bachelor party.

20:20.28
box they_them
Yeah, what? what? how? how’d you get there.

20:23.18
jim_phoenix
Because he’s he’s said bachelor party I thought you met like Tom Hanks movie bachelor party with a dead hooker.

20:29.45
box they_them
No yeah, you must be very confused That’s true. That’s true, but the writing is very sweet. It’s like I said it’s very heartfelt. The acting’s really good.

20:30.34
Daphne
Um, you must be very confused when people invite you to parties.

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20:33.23
jim_phoenix
I I’m using people invite me to anything like really are you talking to me someone behind me.

20:40.75
Daphne
Um.

20:47.52
box they_them
Everybody gives it their a game. You’ll be laughing. You’ll be you know I mean you won’t be crying but you’ll be like oh what? Okay I could get there.

20:53.20
jim_phoenix
Watch this hey box who’s in it but exactly everyone gives with their a game who you know everyone those people thinking gave in an a game.

21:06.21
box they_them
I broke it down Dude this came out really long ago. So I’m gonna I’ll find it and you’re gonna be sorry.

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21:15.38
jim_phoenix
Ah, that’s all sorry I am ah so when you’re watching it’s it’s called finding sirp no summoning Sylvia say that 5 times real fast.

21:18.79
box they_them
You’re going to be sorry.

21:25.59
box they_them
Summoning Sylvia yep

21:30.39
jim_phoenix
How do they summon sillvia is it in like in the silvio Silvio Silvia is it like candy man. Oh.

21:34.54
box they_them
They know they actually have a ah really fun ouija board session and Sylvia comes from there and who is she and why is she there and is she is she evil is she not. They don’t know they have to figure that out. Yeah.

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21:40.83
jim_phoenix
As you know.

21:49.32
jim_phoenix
Well I thought I do I kind of dig that and speaking of ouija board. You won’t believe who just called the star of ouija how dare read I put them on the ah this the phone or raic you know to get some water I don’t I don’t know if you’re gonna get water but okay.

21:52.60
box they_them
No no I going go I’m gonna go get some water. Yeah yeah.

22:07.28
jim_phoenix
So everyone gives a a game. Everyone’s like super into it and you said they’re writing smart and heartfelt.

22:11.59
box they_them
Yeah, Frankie Grande is great Troy Water Michael Orri and Travis Coles and Nicholas.

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22:20.39
jim_phoenix
Oh wait Travis Colles is that the guy from tick to you know I’m trying to say tick up teas. There’s different Travis isn’t that Travis Colles pro far as I know I don’t know I didn’t.

22:25.65
Daphne
A.

22:27.17
box they_them
And um, no yes, yes, he’s an actor and comedian.

22:33.90
Daphne
There’s more than 1 person named Travis. So.

22:39.26
jim_phoenix
I don’t ask with their name sometimes okay, so really maybe that’s why I think enough Travis Cols Seal Ls oh yeah you’re right torture.

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22:40.84
box they_them
He’s an actor and comedian.

22:41.69
Daphne
He was in torchwood apparently and dollhouse.

22:46.31
box they_them
I guess. Coles. .

22:58.15
jim_phoenix
And um, summoning Sylvia I see this now in do hall is okay I got it. It just might me that name popped out.

23:03.20
Daphne
Um.

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23:03.10
box they_them
Yeah, and everybody gave yeah again because like it’s funny. It’s it’s lighthearted until it’s it’s not but it never gets too dark or too you know. So if you want something that’s like fun lighthearted. That’s going to lift your spirits. I would highly recommend so summoning Sylvia because it’s fun is that an old person joke I don’t know so no, you’re not oh wait. Oh ah.

23:25.17
jim_phoenix
Or summon some spirits. Ah now Fa can back that up summoning Sylvia I don’t know I’m the same age you are tell me. Ah.

23:33.87
Daphne
Um, Boomers am I right? um.

23:39.58
jim_phoenix
Only three days older than you box. Oh.

23:42.44
box they_them
Right? Um, okay so I’m goingnna exactly thank you Daphne thank you daphne yes exactly I’m gonna give it 4 4 out of 5 Yeah.

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23:45.16
Daphne
Um, and box is only 10 days older than I am so.

23:46.61
jim_phoenix
There you go from together or thirteen days so how many cthul those you give this one box. Okay I can do for 4 out of 5 or something Sylvia I I digg it. I think I’m meant to check these out. This is why I like doing our show cause I get to see things or hear things I should watch I clean the movie the review so it does a self dig on myself as a self dig is and know so my fourth one? Okay boy what do I want do for nor 4 you know what? I’m gonna hit up.

24:13.32
box they_them
Zing.

24:20.85
jim_phoenix
Scream therapy 2023 of Cassie Keat we did some little press for for this one before and then we had to bury everything we did because of the writers strike and then the actor strike. But now that we can actually see and talk about this movie and a year afters yeah they in 2023

24:33.63
box they_them
At the end of 2 2023

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24:33.89
Daphne
Um.

24:39.85
jim_phoenix
I Will absolutely watch this again and again it really is a great horror comedy if you if we know me I do dig the horror comedies I did the young frankensteins I dig the well’s what’s that one with not so much drakler dead and loving it because. We Both thought that was a better movie than it was when we when we reviewed it last time.

25:01.59
box they_them
Yeah I mean you think it’s going to be but you know it’s it’s Mel Brooks not Mel Blanks blank um which I confuse but you think it’s going to be funny in it. It has not aged well or even then it didn’t age.

25:07.11
jim_phoenix
Yeah I mean.

25:14.60
jim_phoenix
No no it. It is not. It is not I’ve done the that there’s there’s other ones that we we’ve watched throughout the years but I really did horror comedy and then I like really smart horror comedy and I think screen therapy.

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25:18.20
box they_them
Then nothing aged.

25:33.73
jim_phoenix
2023 look at that from Cassie key it is an amazingly tight movie and it it gives a lot of stuff we we we see when they’re filming out. It’s it’s all pretty much pro through when when they’re what’s it about. It’s a whole. Um.

25:48.50
box they_them
What is it about what is it about.

25:53.43
jim_phoenix
about 5 friends struggling in their lives head out to the desert for a girls weaken the restorative scream therapy what scream therapy is I didn’t rush know it’s when people just scream I had no idea that’s an actual thing. No idea apparently so their vacation takes a sharp turn when they cross past the cult of incels I looked that word up.

26:03.46
box they_them
Yeah.

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26:04.77
Daphne
Um, yeah.

26:13.42
jim_phoenix
And know what cult meant I know what Insel was ah it’s not my tat too right? there now I didn’t know what I that was not my tatoo I didn’t know a K of insels. Yeah, who are very pressing on a very pressing human sacrifice deadline. So.

26:13.62
box they_them
Ah, you don’t forgive him daffy forgive him.

26:14.12
Daphne
Um, really, but.

26:29.23
jim_phoenix
You you have these things are working together. It is a true feminist movie and I dig it on like oh and box remember you are going to like Cassie Keith because they made your auggament for that one movie. We used to disagree on.

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26:44.69
box they_them
Yeah I know you keep parading that out. Okay mad Ma Fury road. But yes Fiosa which is supposedly coming out at some point.

26:47.35
jim_phoenix
Being mad magpiiosa am right? what really what I say oh I thought that was already that movie were watching. Okay, so thats coming up second movie.

26:58.68
Daphne
Yeah, next year I think.

27:05.83
jim_phoenix
Yeah, so this is going to be a buddy comedy slash horror a feminist comedy slash horror and it does a lot of smart things where I liked it a lot due to the fact of bringing into 2023. We we see the world how we said you know change from species 95 to how we are now. And how we so actually like each other in 95 and now we’re just like at each other’s detect. We. We used to get lawn because is us against everyone else I think that’s why way allla comma and 95 is like as us upgainst the world just watch clerks if you ever want to see what 95 look like watch clerks.

27:24.68
box they_them
Can be used to.

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27:25.77
Daphne
Okay.

27:39.61
box they_them
I wouldn’t know because I’m young right? exactly.

27:41.80
jim_phoenix
Or Mal Rat. Okay, that’s we have to go back or watch these movies crooks them back in white. So you you have this and the acting is fantastic. It. It’s a lot of great performances. It’s a smart move and it’s just really.

27:43.73
Daphne
Yeah.

27:58.40
jim_phoenix
There’s there’s parts where they get me so I’m like okay, what happened this character and then later on they bring him back like oh that’s what happened like they actually don’t forget about the character and it’s all very well done. We’re talking about from the writer from Cassie’s point of view and also as Cassie directed it so yet to both the writer and director on set same time.

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28:15.76
Daphne
And.

28:17.73
jim_phoenix
I I dig it I Really wish I could wash this right now. Besides my screener I don’t want to keep it going back. The screener Hopefully it comes out to all theaters soon I do know it might have gotten derailed a little bit by the strike and things kind of like shut down. We can’t talk about press and so what that.

28:31.95
box they_them
You.

28:37.40
jim_phoenix
But I’m glad that’s all over with and if you really want to hear Cassie and I talk about nick cage for like 12 hours long check out our interview with Cassie K Don was cracking lovely person funny as hell go check this one out when you can scream therapy I’m giving this one 4.5 go through those see I can beat yours.

28:55.69
box they_them
You fair.

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28:57.80
Daphne
But none the memory is good as a tentacle t.

28:57.28
jim_phoenix
4.5 final author so you can’t be a tentacle to you. That’s the thing like that’s when I want to follow you like there’s no way I can beat that right now.

29:04.88
box they_them
Yeah, there’s no way any of us could beat that or can I we’ll see we’ll see.

29:09.69
jim_phoenix
Oh we’ll find out but what’s number 3 for you Daphne if that is your real name.

29:15.91
Daphne
Yeah, so and now we’re getting into that crazy list of movies that I’ve actually seen that came out in 2023 or should say I didn’t actually see species. Um, but you know movies that actually came out in 2023 which got haunting and.

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29:24.50
box they_them
Significantly.

29:26.72
jim_phoenix
So yeah, no judgment.

29:35.70
Daphne
Venice um, is my ah one of the better movies I saw in 2043 that actually came out then um I like Agatha Christie and I like her books. Um, so I liked I thought haunting event I’ve not read the book the haunting of Venice is based off of but.

29:36.52
jim_phoenix
Um, oh.

29:54.63
jim_phoenix
Great. The funds are upon on here cop Perol Power Rock yes and or he’s a qui little dude.

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29:55.45
Daphne
I’ve read other agatha Kirsty books and I think it captured the fun spirit yes is pro row.

29:58.86
box they_them
Um, and it’s and it’s her her cule pro Correct yes which a lot of people enjoy.

30:08.80
Daphne
Yeah I will be a good whodunit. You know that’s how that’s scaring. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

30:12.15
box they_them
And it has a stellar cast too right.

30:13.17
jim_phoenix
I like yeah, that’s an amazing cast. It’s an amazing cast Liz lemons in it I can’t remember Tina Faye for a second I couldn’t remember Tina Fay’s name for his like as I did the character I’m sorry yeah that person from mean girls was in it and ah.

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30:19.32
box they_them
Yeah, well I mean.

30:25.76
box they_them
Um, the character she’s in it.

30:32.10
jim_phoenix
The guy from Thor isn’t it no not the actor the director he’s in it and that no the director of Thor the original or ragner rock not raing rock ah, the dark world. No no, no dark world 1 kind of brown.

30:34.46
Daphne
Um, but they didn’t what Ken Brana I don’t know who Tyo whati is not in this movie.

30:37.65
box they_them
Tyo where titi. Oh the original not the Tyo a T T one. Okay and I mind I mine I was gonna get excited.

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30:50.78
jim_phoenix
But the person who was in everything all at once in Os’s Star Trek Deep Space Discovery Nine or Disco which was Star Trek was she in was it and there is one. Okay, there’s a disco one. There’s a star Trek disco.

30:50.85
Daphne
Oopsie.

31:00.40
box they_them
Dis is her star trek dead scale I let see that.

31:08.13
jim_phoenix
Because when they first we start doing abbreviations like Ntg and so but that the actual star trek up. We lost staffing fresh second so okay, definite come back? Oh we’re trying to spoiler. We were not gonna spoil it startrak disco for you, but it’s.

31:12.74
box they_them
We did. She’ll probably come back. She doesn’t want to talk about Star Trek disco.

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31:22.00
Daphne
So.

31:26.79
jim_phoenix
Actually the original one is startrekstd and then like what it was it was because they weren’t thinking.

31:30.53
box they_them
What’s no why obvious of it’s sleep. Okay.

31:39.26
jim_phoenix
Yeah, because star trek discovery std and that’s why they started going? No they did a campaign to make it called disco. Like really hard like it like oh we got everything perfect. We got Wilson Cruz and an anthonythe of rap and Doug Jones in this. What could possibly go wrong. What do you want to call it std oh damn, what’s wrong with you guys. It’s they sped like eight Milla episode Matt this way now.

31:55.62
box they_them
Oh Doug Jones perfect std million stds like in species.

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32:08.60
Daphne
Yes, exactly like species.

32:11.72
jim_phoenix
Oh I like that crossover so you have okay so daphne that your now that you’re back daffing you’ve got haughening him that we are Haughton and Venice. Do you see it in the theater or in the the home. Ah, and then the.

32:19.50
Daphne
Yeah, yeah, I’m sorry my and I could have.

32:25.61
Daphne
Now I just watched it on Hulu or whatever. Yeah.

32:28.76
jim_phoenix
Whole thing. Did you watch the other two before that merger orient express and then okay because it doesn in the same world. It gets heart Definite I was heartbreaking bit.

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32:32.22
Daphne
I have seen the other two. Yeah, a death on the Nile was not very good in my opinion.

32:36.11
box they_them
But this one this one got got there.

32:45.48
Daphne
Yeah, this one got there because I feel like on Heart Heart harder than I or heart on the Nile Whatever it’s called death on the Ni um that whatever I feel like yeah, it’s a little. It’s especially convenient.

32:47.88
box they_them
Ah, something on the na now.

32:48.70
jim_phoenix
Right? Someone died.

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33:00.20
jim_phoenix
Right.

33:01.29
Daphne
You know in a way you know a lot of hodunits can be especially convenient, but it’s like it’s almost ah magically convenient in a lot of different ways and they’re like what what was this plan. It makes no sense. But I’ve also not read that book So I don’t know if it’s like source material problems versus adaption problems or whatever.

33:16.79
jim_phoenix
I Don’t know. Yeah, so.

33:21.70
Daphne
But I liked a haunting in Venice I thought it was more interesting. Um I thought it was spooky but not, it’s especially scary. So I wouldn’t I wouldn’t expect that going into it. But um I thought I had.

33:36.49
jim_phoenix
Yeah I like the fun of it I like the interaction between the characters of the actors because it it really is it keeps you going. Keep you going keeps going. There’s there’s no, there’s no real boring moment of it.

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33:36.94
Daphne
A lot of fun elements to it and they kept you guessing? yeah.

33:43.84
Daphne
Oh yeah.

33:52.70
Daphne
Me.

33:52.18
jim_phoenix
There’s no lull. There’s no like fig. We’re talking about before and our interview which goes live by the way Daphne I did interview. There’s no like 15 minutes of like reading involved but there’s there’s no setup for just this it is it is tight. It is tight and is scary. It’s got some jumps.

34:03.89
Daphne
It’s tight.

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34:04.00
box they_them
Um.

34:08.80
Daphne
Um, my zoomer attention span requires things to be tight. Okay.

34:10.98
jim_phoenix
Ah, thanks Mors. That’s like oh my God Zoomers oh surrounded. Okay so Ive okay it was a lot of profitable effects but not all profit effects right? was her C Giants one I I can’t like.

34:12.88
box they_them
You are.

34:25.30
Daphne
Um, I’m not sure about how they did things but it looked good. It. Nothing looked super bad I.

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34:28.77
jim_phoenix
Remember yeah, nothing look out of place. Nothing look fake I saw it in the big screen. So like even on the big screen. It looked immense or immersive and and the in the sound was really there is kind of lifting it all up I may had to rewatch it on a smaller screen just to see if it kind of holds up. But.

34:35.80
Daphne
No.

34:48.39
jim_phoenix
I think if you did not watch orient express and god now I’m blanking on it the the egypt one nile good left Nile you don’t need to watch those to watch this one. Enjoy it right? Okay, good.

34:49.36
Daphne
Um, yeah.

34:58.44
box they_them
Nile death.

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35:00.48
Daphne
Nile death stuff like this. Oh absolutely not.

35:05.42
box they_them
It’s like.

35:05.99
jim_phoenix
You all you you don’t even know who need to know who Herco Perot is you just kind of like watch this. It’s a mystery in the itself.

35:09.68
Daphne
No yeah, that’s good I usually think I like this one better than the other 2 death in the ni is definitely favorite and I think this one’s better than murder on the orange express. But I’ve read murder on the orange express so that was car also kind of like.

35:13.91
jim_phoenix
Really.

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35:26.10
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah, yeah, the same let go? Yeah, if you want to read read this one is it’s actually the original is Halloween party.

35:26.94
box they_them
With the bible is yeah.

35:28.24
Daphne
You know, already kind of knew what the what the gist was yeah, vibe was already known.

35:38.10
box they_them
Oh is it I have that.

35:39.54
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

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35:40.76
jim_phoenix
Yeah, they rebranded it as but deaf in Venice murder and Venice haunting haling in Venice. Thank you all thinking of brandness. Yeah Halloween party like we were starting to read it and it’s it’s similar. It’s got some stuff to it.

35:44.38
box they_them
Oh haunting in Venice I did not know that.

35:50.90
Daphne
Um, ah haunting I think it’s a better name than Halloween party.

35:58.73
jim_phoenix
She writes herself into this one because like the mystery writer right? I think that’s her avatar. Yeah I dig. Okay, um, I’m so sorry like I like this movie a lot That’s I’m like I see this movie I know this one I can talk about this one.

35:59.11
box they_them
Interesting. Yeah.

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36:04.10
Daphne
Um, no cameo.

36:14.55
jim_phoenix
So what do you give this as a Kathula rating. 4 out of 5.

36:21.27
Daphne
Um, this is why I am but I’m just gonna give her 4 out 5 which is less than species and but it actually fits the category and so it has the rank higher by default.

36:21.89
box they_them
Yeah, it is.

36:27.50
jim_phoenix
Have my now it if if Tina Fey had tentacle nipples would this be higher and.

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36:33.22
box they_them
Yeah, right.

36:40.33
Daphne
Um, I think so it’s been turned or like you know it turned out that um her her cool proro needed to like bang someone in order to figure outs where you learn that hot.

36:47.71
box they_them
To survive right? right? right? exactly.

36:51.19
jim_phoenix
So the thing ah pretty sure we just gave him but Disney if you’re listening that’s already our idea you can’t take that one our idea tm you take the mouse back and be fine.

36:56.48
Daphne
Obscenes and.

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36:58.53
box they_them
Yeah, no, we put it in an envelope sealed it and sent it to ourselves. So.

37:00.43
Daphne
We Yeah, we trademark in it right now. Yeah.

37:09.66
jim_phoenix
Ah, you know now if so four out of 5 I can can I beat that one I don’t know you know what? I’m not gonna be try right now box what’s your number 3

37:11.37
box they_them
Happy.

37:11.55
Daphne
So call Outina back.

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37:21.39
box they_them
Oh so I had to think about this I and to think about this pretty pretty hard because the top 3 are real good. They’re real good. So I’m gonna have to say though.

37:24.91
jim_phoenix
Oh.

37:40.29
box they_them
As much as I love this movie. It’s gonna be my number 3 which is cocaine bear. Yes, you yes which you have to see still sir. Oh you did? Okay, good good good. Yes.

37:42.61
jim_phoenix
Um, oh cocaine Shark is it Oh my God is it really cocaine bear. No I saw it I saw it I said? Yeah, yeah, yeah I.

37:59.52
box they_them
I Have so much fun in the theater watching this film and laughing my ass off and also going ah because the deaths are so gruesome and very visceral to where you will go like ha.

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37:59.78
jim_phoenix
It took me like a bit.

38:10.13
Daphne
So.

38:12.43
jim_phoenix
Um, it is fun.

38:16.65
Daphne
Money. Yes.

38:19.27
box they_them
Just like that in the theater visceral. Oh good I mean you’re the professor you should should know what? Ah well yes.

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38:20.28
jim_phoenix
What does what does that word mean I’m pretty dumb Box. What does that word mean, no ah I know what? that’s from that ah doctor Gosh Dang it I don’t profess anything anymore for us that I like. T.

38:38.90
box they_them
You’re professor of the arts of bad movies that is a job title. That’s it’s your job that I saw your business card that’s literally what you put on your oh my god Jesus Louis who came there.

38:38.45
Daphne
Shoot it.

38:39.81
jim_phoenix
The arts of bad movie. Oh why can I is that a job title can I get that is is that my job I’m looking got my from a business card 6 oh this is cocaine bear. I’m guessing this is practical effects all way because why would you see gi cocaine bear I’m pretty sure the barett itself is all teach.

38:59.50
box they_them
There’s no, there’s there’s Cgi for the cocaine bear. The bear is bear is cgi. Yes, but it’s a good bear It’s a good creepy bear. Honestly this movie it has twists. It has turns it has great acting grape. Great ah writing it’s funny. It’s scary. It’s heartfelt like in the end you’re like I can’t believe that I’m doing these things you know and feeling these things for these particular people. But ah, okay.

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39:20.65
jim_phoenix
It is now.

39:28.27
jim_phoenix
Also the tagline of my marriage go for ah nothing I sick I So I I’m sleeping that slipppping in like a self-depreration.

39:35.33
box they_them
Oh oh zing or mine or mine. My friend high fives. Um, but it’s it’s really good. Um, it was Ray Leota’s his second to last film. Um.

39:48.27
jim_phoenix
And second the best which is weird his best of course being that like only 1 or one can sort like like the cappawara film or that was.

39:52.47
box they_them
Yeah, right.

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39:53.85
Daphne
He.

39:58.25
box they_them
Yeah, but it was. It’s just a fun wild ride set in the 80 s which I wouldn’t know anything about because I’m young, um, good 1980 s yeah, yeah, it’s.

40:05.55
jim_phoenix
1880 s oh yeah, that’s a long time ago this what a me probably not now they had that cocaine bear to deal if I mean come on.

40:07.74
Daphne
So.

40:13.00
box they_them
So I don’t know if anyone’s still alive from then to be honest, certainly not me. Um, but it’s just it’s such a fun film. It’s it’s great. It’s like I said it’s it.

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40:28.92
box they_them
I Think it’s a movie you could watch with your dad but maybe not your mom.

40:34.40
Daphne
So I guess it depends on the type of relationship you have with your parents.

40:37.59
jim_phoenix
Yes.

40:39.41
box they_them
That’s that’s true. That’s true. But I know my mom would not appreciate it and my dad would probably wince a lot but I could watch it with oh sure I’m sure.

40:46.17
jim_phoenix
Why not? It’s a family film. Yeah Adam’s family but still family friendly. Well case.

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40:49.23
Daphne
Species you can write watch with both your parents at any point in time. It’s a family friendly movie who.

40:55.95
box they_them
You know. So I give it a 5 out of 5 cathy. Yes.

41:04.22
jim_phoenix
Giving a 5 out of 5 didn’t you isn’t that more than you rate it before or is that Tt that did cameber teddies jimmbo.

41:08.74
box they_them
No, that was titi I think I I think I did give it a 5 out of 5 before it’s fun. It’s a lot of fun man.

41:18.58
jim_phoenix
Yeah I I do like to fat. Okay I like to fashion from it. It’s very and we just saw this stuff I just saw something amazing like I like is I alive or dead like and he’s like oh please cat on me.

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41:25.83
box they_them
Oh my gosh Carrie Russell in that track suit. Ah.

41:35.13
box they_them
Oh there’s a cat. Oh is she a standard issue. Oh she is I don’t know her mind is she’s around here somewhere That’s a standard issue cat.

41:36.21
Daphne
Oh yeah, she actually gets Yeah yeah.

41:37.54
jim_phoenix
Ah, so cool because like yeah.

41:42.54
jim_phoenix
A standard issue What what standard issue I don’t understand the.

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41:51.95
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

41:52.80
box they_them
Oh is she period pacty.

41:54.39
jim_phoenix
Cute style.

41:56.68
Daphne
Um, I know she has the normal in that amount of fingers. Yeah, she’s very clingy.

42:03.50
box they_them
Ah, okay, minus perdactto Anyway, Welcome to talk. Ah.

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42:04.73
jim_phoenix
Welcome to cat talk your your top cats of 2023

42:16.20
jim_phoenix
Camp not even school anymore like camp. Oh that there’s no.

42:16.19
Daphne
Ah, my dog is currently at obedience camp for wayward dogs and so yeah, he’s there for ten days yeah it’s scared straight camp for dogs really whip him into shape and so my cat’s having the time of her life.

42:23.26
box they_them
Yeah.

42:29.63
box they_them
Oh I’m sure.

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42:33.26
jim_phoenix
Ah here I can like relax and relax things and I can show everyone but my butt as one does. That’s how casse hello through the butts.

42:35.38
Daphne
Which is.

42:37.77
box they_them
Course I mean that’s what cats the musical did right? But holcott.

42:45.25
jim_phoenix
Talk about cgi. Okay, a box as we all get distracted by the cats we gave this what gave it a 5 Okay I can’t beat the 5 I’m so sorry I’ll I’ll take this one my number one 3 right? okay.

42:46.55
Daphne
Um.

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42:50.96
Daphne
Um, yeah, work out.

42:54.50
box they_them
Yeah. Okay, yeah.

43:04.35
Daphne
Yeah.

43:04.72
jim_phoenix
Ah, my number 3 is the Pope’s exorcist well okay the reason why I needed a number 3 honestly scream therapy should be number 3 I just kind of like mess up my order but follow Gabriel Amorf

43:08.81
box they_them
Ah I mean oh really go on.

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43:15.20
box they_them
Um.

43:23.81
jim_phoenix
The Vatican’s leading exorcist as the investigates investigates I can read today. The possession of a child and uncovers a conspiracy that vatican has tried to keep secret I like this because I’ve actually read awar’s writing before.

43:33.47
box they_them
Yeah, you said that you liked that the writing is actually very good.

43:37.19
jim_phoenix
The writing of him as as extra as the actual Vatican’s exercise is amazing if you like the Vatican for some reason I suggest getting it if you like horror.

43:41.74
box they_them
Right.

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43:51.30
box they_them
Um, big big Vatican fans over here.

43:54.23
jim_phoenix
Has to be of oh there’s got to be some Vatican fans listener I mean if you ever.

43:55.83
Daphne
Um, yeah, and I’m sure there’s a large proportion of the population but a ratic in fans. Um, yeah, yeah.

43:59.20
box they_them
Yeah, they have the hats the Poe Pats like the fake Po Pats and the foam fingers. Oh no, don’t no turned away turned away.

44:02.61
jim_phoenix
I’m pointing my library card to.

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44:08.58
jim_phoenix
Ah, don’t make me do a nor Mcdonald bit please I got one im like and I I want to do his vice out just I know I’ll direct out Ellen so. I I like it or if you’re like if you actually want to understand what exorcism is and what it is to be in a real extra stuff. you’ you read the the exorcist book. You know the the Michael Plater Blay book you you read that one. You’re like I want to see what the the actual view from the exorcist is like the real view of it.

44:36.68
Daphne
And.

44:41.52
jim_phoenix
Amarf is like the person to go to. He’s he’s passed away. He’s no longer writing new books. But he’s got 2 pretty good ones now he also blames disco for the rise of so like I think when he says disco get and me it’s like the european sense it might be like the translation you know because I read it in translation.

44:49.66
box they_them
Yeah.

44:58.72
box they_them
Wait is it is it Star Trek Disco perhaps.

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45:00.37
jim_phoenix
You know was like the disco means like rock music disco’ll be stds. He also Blames Stds though. So who knows yeah so you you have this weird thing where you you.

45:06.89
box they_them
I mean it could he could be talking about that. Actually.

45:17.45
jim_phoenix
You see something like the exorcist where it’s like you played with something you shouldn’t have which is basically a Hasro toy. No I’m not um, this is my actual voice. No I know I can I Don know. But.

45:20.76
box they_them
Are you trying to do norm mcdonald oh it sounded like you were doing nor Mcdonald. Okay.

45:34.98
jim_phoenix
You you see the exorcist and you see how it you know you play with this toy you summon the demon you’re talking to dead you deserve this you you you broke god’s law and 1 of the commandments like don’t like fuck with toys or something I don’t know.

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45:51.29
box they_them
Yeah, exactly I think that’s the fourth commandment or Mattel.

45:53.53
jim_phoenix
Not play plays that play of toys the fork about thouw should not play with anything fun made by hasro oh speaking it speaking of the ouija board I I sure we can’t take terrorist fun I you know I know what sorry Tara next year terror we’re talking to you next year next year terra

45:54.15
Daphne
Um, he doubt yeah, don’t play with toys commandment number 6

46:03.96
box they_them
No, no, no, no, no, no, no next year next year. Maybe we’ll do an interview next year you know.

46:13.59
jim_phoenix
I I don’t want to spoil this but I do have something with Ter Reid next year ah if you know what you better be or better. Not be part of it I didn’t dream. Ah maybe I’ll have to see we so to talk. It’s a bunch of agent right now. But.

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46:16.40
box they_them
I Better be part of it I better be okay.

46:31.10
jim_phoenix
Yeah, what I think it’s I can kind of announce that ah terror read next year Twenty Thousand Twenty four yeah I don’t know for how long would taught me I’m trying to take that time but boom that be funny, a bigfoot came on as terror ru and then terror is talking to theirfoot.

46:35.54
box they_them
Spoilers.

46:39.11
box they_them
Possibly big foot too.

46:46.67
box they_them
Though we we can’t do that to her. We can’t no, let’s not do that to her.

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46:48.37
jim_phoenix
I don’t think I could do that term no I wouldn’ I wouldn’t I wouldn’t I’ve been like trying for like a year or 2 to get to her so we’ve got this thing where he says you you do this? You’re gonna go to hell as ouji and so you kind of deserve it as a kid even as a kid apparently you deserve it something to happen. Bad happen.

46:48.51
Daphne
G.

47:06.90
jim_phoenix
Or you see this as the pope’s exorcists or through the the pope’s exors book I should say the Gabriel Amar’s book where you kind of had to upset god’s law. You had to be tempted by the devil or try to tempt the devil himself which is still a sin and that’s why they.

47:23.17
box they_them
Oh how.

47:26.90
jim_phoenix
Allows you to be possessed and every once in a while every once in while God’s like ah fuck it possess him like it’s like job like it’s got like the book of job. Yeah, it’s like job. It’s a job fake like every once a while guys like hey I’m going to win anyways. But let’s torture someone for a while.

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47:33.90
box they_them
Um, oh oh, it’s Joe it’s a joke thing. Oh.

47:43.60
jim_phoenix
That’ll be fun. No, that’s that’s not that’s not a good plan. That’s not a good business thought god I know fighting fighting Jesus is somewhere still my car so you you have the book version.

47:44.16
box they_them
Woof that’s not cool god that’s not buddy Jesus.

47:52.58
Daphne
I should.

47:59.25
jim_phoenix
This this is not based on the book version by the way but you have the historical character of Gabriel I morph and what I really like is Russell Crow brings him to life I never seen him as a Russell Crobe type he runsurres them. It’s it’s a trick to have I know it. It’s a little trick that happens I guess it like I you know.

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48:07.59
box they_them
Again, Oh holy crap. Oh my God Good job Russell crab.

48:19.10
jim_phoenix
Jesus and ah Russell Crow who knew but Cheryl Crow that’s Sheryl Crowl you’re thinking out Russ across the singer I I have no idea maybe maybe I don’t even’t learn or met him.

48:19.60
box they_them
And yeah, and a singer no Russell Crow yeah doesn’t he isn’t that like 40 odd grunt his band.

48:28.20
Daphne
So.

48:35.71
box they_them
Something like that Anyway, go on.

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48:38.89
jim_phoenix
So I never I never saw Gabriel was this big dude because Russell Groer seems from gladiator and like he’s this big dude but he plays it but he plays the smart asness of aroth really well he plays the guy who would be the pokears and says I think Russell Cro

48:42.80
box they_them
Yeah, and like Miss. Yeah, okay does he also hate Disco. Probably.

48:57.21
jim_phoenix
Probably physically hate this though as well. Yeah, you see this and you set it up I think this is a horror movie that had promise I think this is a horror movie that makes you think and I think Daphne did you say this was ah angels and demons.

49:03.77
box they_them
And.

49:14.36
Daphne
Oh yeah, Dan Brown’s angels and demons essentially the same movie I’ve not I’ve not seen your movie but I’m just going to assume exact same movie and Alfred Malina is an angels and demons comes full circle.

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49:15.42
jim_phoenix
David. Yeah.

49:21.69
jim_phoenix
Um, is that to save. Yeah.

49:25.41
jim_phoenix
You just like doing the whole AlphaMarina thing I’m at the watch more spiderman later on so you you have all these things going on and I dig it I get into it again. The first time I saw this I was on a plane. So like I is this or like cocaine bear I guess.

49:25.92
box they_them
Ah, oh we did it. We did it.

49:32.14
Daphne
We are.

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49:41.24
box they_them
Which you missed out on you missed out on.

49:43.33
jim_phoenix
Like yeah I wish someone tried to watch the plane. Yeah yeah, and I know I know maybe maybe but it is wellacted. It is mostly real written like I can’t really say that is not well written because I think it is well written.

49:43.72
Daphne
Apparently yeah I used to watched and.

50:00.40
jim_phoenix
I Don’t know how much is like the director or actually the editor kind of like cutting things up sometimes like how did that and then okay I see it no but it is definitely one of my top movies that I’ve watched in 2023 for horror. Because of the acting because of the writing because of how they took things seriously and it could have been what none too was it could have been like oh here’s something but like no, they actually want to make a good movie. So here we go I’m giving this one How you gave cocaine pair five Damn it.

50:21.83
box they_them
Oh yeah.

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50:31.60
box they_them
And did it was fun.

50:34.54
jim_phoenix
And Daphne you gave yours 4 Okay I’m go get us 4 I almost a four you know what? it’s almost the day after day after day after the Christmas four point five four point five I blesses don’t make me do mc me everyone. So four point 5

50:37.33
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

50:44.38
box they_them
And bless us everyone I did I don’t make you do anything? Yes, no.

50:54.20
jim_phoenix
Oh yeah, ah that’s true. It made me not take phone calls go this this is still lighting up so four point five out of 5 Go check it out. It’s probably streaming somewhere right now on prime video. It’s worth for watch if you watch it on a plane before watching a bigger screen. It’s not bad if you ever watched. Ah.

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51:11.45
box they_them
It’s not bad.

51:12.95
jim_phoenix
I was actually talking to Isaac Thorne about like movies once I think it might actually been a thread somewhere and we were watching something that was just came out like oh this is not as good as like theorcist. It was the exist awakenings or beginnings or part two. Yeah I like.

51:16.30
Daphne
Um.

51:25.28
box they_them
Oh yeah, the the new one.

51:30.83
jim_phoenix
That was not a an exorcist film be good or it like was doing the whole thing and Mavis both want to rewatch the pope’sist and by comparison this is like brilliant. It’s like keyno right there I dig it.

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51:40.30
Daphne
She.

51:45.85
jim_phoenix
So 4.5 out of 5 That’s my final offer yes, number 3 in the can Daphne you’re up for number 2 Do.

51:53.10
Daphne
Um, number two. Um, my full disclosure is that I think actually my husband Ashi West watched all of this ah in the hotel while I was at a conference and so I got to see the last half of it after I returned from my conference.

52:04.15
box they_them
I Thought you I thought you’re oh scream six I Thought you’re going to say that he just like told you about it and you’re like oh I Love this movie.

52:11.68
Daphne
But I love scream 6 Yeah well he it recap the rest of them. He recap scream 5 which he also watched in the hotel room right before I stood up.

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52:17.20
jim_phoenix
What box she ate me.

52:30.99
Daphne
And then the first half of scream 6 for me so I could sit and finish watching the movie with him. He’s like really scared. He gets really stressed out about scary movies but something about like the scream movies like he was enrapttureed by them and I agree because we were going to go get dinner.

52:31.84
jim_phoenix
Oh god.

52:39.26
box they_them
That’s Cute. Oh.

52:42.30
jim_phoenix
Really.

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52:49.52
Daphne
And I was like okay like turn off you know, turn off the stupid movie and let’s let’s go get dinner. But then I sat on the bed and I was like I have to watch the rest of this what in the world is going on so scream I’ve seen scream one and half of scream 6

53:01.10
jim_phoenix
Tomorrow.

53:03.80
box they_them
I Mean that’s the best order to do it in I I hear.

53:09.26
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah I think so.

53:09.81
Daphne
Um, yeah I I agree and and so I mean even have flashbacks. Yeah, but that’s a great question.

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53:11.99
box they_them
So okay so I want to ask since you’ve only seen half of it. What is it about.

53:27.20
Daphne
Ghost faces there. He’s running around and he’s being really quirky and that’s scream 6

53:32.62
jim_phoenix
Ah.

53:36.14
jim_phoenix
I Think you just nailed all of them Actually I have they think this is like that.

53:39.46
box they_them
Jim Jim I think this is gonna be a new podcast. We could do where we just watch half of the movie. Yes, you can’t even watch the trailers can you bud? yeah.

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53:41.79
Daphne
Yeah I mean if I see.

53:47.77
jim_phoenix
I mean I to watch half of a movie now I can’t even watch I I like do me half a trailer I I don’t know on an end. It’s like a ah.

53:58.43
box they_them
Definitely you’re talking about Zoomer at like attention span meet jim.

54:05.90
Daphne
You know they’re in New York City it’s the people from the previous movies. Ah ghost space is trying to kill them and then you know of course there’s there’s like a they find a ghost face shrine to all the other ghost to all the other scream movies and then they.

54:09.13
jim_phoenix
Hunger.

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54:17.33
box they_them
Oh.

54:18.50
jim_phoenix
Shenanigans What are that a plural is that ghost face faces or is it face I of face I.

54:22.74
box they_them
Ghost Go spaces, go space eye peace.

54:24.89
Daphne
Yeah, some or those spaces. Yeah yes, there’s some definite insel um internet weirdo undertones like there is in all of the modern screen movies As far as I can tell.

54:35.55
jim_phoenix
Oh yeah, no, you’re right.

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54:37.70
box they_them
Interest.

54:43.90
Daphne
Um, but it’s great I the whole and it’s like I have a big question about the scream franchise which is why don’t why don’t they dislike because this ghost face you know like attacks like groups of people at a time like in this particular movie when I started watching. He’s actively attacking 6 people. In an apartment together and my why don’t look he might stab 1 of them. But surely if all 6 of them just turned around and started beating the shit out of ghost face like they’d be fine right? Like he’s just a guy.

55:09.13
jim_phoenix
Yeah, no I get it right? He’s not supernatural exactly. It’s not supernatural. It’s not like Michael Myers where he apparently becomes supernatural later on it is okay, just just a dude.

55:21.50
box they_them
Just some some dude.

55:21.28
Daphne
Yeah, just a guy at any point they could take a lamp off their side table and just crack it over ghost faces head and and be over you know what? I’m saying.

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55:29.33
jim_phoenix
But okay and now I might be getting my screen 6 mixed up with my scream tv show which might be made missed up of screen 5 or also just like which is I think screen pipes just called scream by the way. Yeah, it might be getting to mixed up. But.

55:36.64
box they_them
Oh yeah.

55:41.22
Daphne
Who knows.

55:47.42
jim_phoenix
Didn’t they actually just beat the schnota of him like and he just like limps up and goes Oh I’m good fine.

55:55.74
Daphne
Yeah I mean there’s some things but they never finish him off so in this movie there’s several times when they beat the shit out of ghost face and then they run away. It’s like no cheap him? Yeah, like like oh we’ve knocked him down. Let’s run away. It’s like no take his knife and stab him or like keep hitting him with your baseball bat.

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55:58.84
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah, they’re like.

55:58.99
box they_them
Yeah, they never double tap. They never double tap.

56:13.91
jim_phoenix
Kills what that’s built. Okay, so you have seens. No while yeah, always what? that’s part of the I think best’s part of the message from scream. 6 is all this could be done if he just.

56:14.99
Daphne
Instead every single time they drop the baseball bat and we just sprint away.

56:17.14
box they_them
It sounds like a Psa Towards Stereo okay so serial killers.

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56:21.64
Daphne
And yeah, this is a psa. Yeah.

56:31.82
jim_phoenix
Killed them early on just kill your stockers like a scream one. No yes play. That’s like that’s not in his opinions. You should not kill anyone I think that’s the do that I yeah find a kazoo you ah the.

56:33.00
box they_them
Yes, yeah, allegedly, we’re not actually saying this? No no no I always got out my kazoo I know I know.

56:33.76
Daphne
You you should just kill people. Yeah scream 6 Yeah yeah, this.

56:50.20
jim_phoenix
Ah, here there’s a yeah oh is on Loop Sorry Homeman like a loop that sorry I didn’t knows on loop. They only take it off loop. So.

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56:52.10
Daphne
The screenwriters are big stand your ground law fans.

56:52.66
box they_them
But.

57:00.68
Daphne
Um.

57:02.22
Daphne
I No but I always saw half of it but it was an entirely utterly interactionate movie. We’ve been obsessed. Yeah since we watched it. We’ve been obsessed with ghost face.

57:04.19
box they_them
Okay.

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57:04.61
jim_phoenix
Again, They’re well acted. They’re well acted and oh my gosh is it because you’re a zoomer because it’s bone bone bone bone bone bone bone Boom right? I try.

57:17.28
box they_them
I looked like a dance.

57:21.98
Daphne
Um, yeah, it’s like it’s essentially like watching Tiktok videos. You know ghost face going from person to person star with him.

57:27.70
jim_phoenix
Yeah, but I think there was a premise of scary movie one when they’re making fun of ghost. Yeah I think that’s exactly it scream I’ve seen scream the original scream recently because I was screening it for somebody so they could understand scream 6

57:32.85
Daphne
Yeah I think yes this is.

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57:45.66
jim_phoenix
I guess you didn’t really have to but I was like I could you just like jump in into three six right yeah Yeah these people are like killing these people and these people are like killing these people and that that’s all news. Yeah, this is the.

57:45.95
Daphne
Yeah, no look you you get enough of what’s going on just by watching half the scream 6 yeah user one of them’s ghost face probably who knows.

58:02.23
jim_phoenix
1 of the first times because when scream first came out Drew Barrymore was a big draw for it and she gets killed in the first is like a Jackie Chan movie when Jackie Chan was nobody like oh Jackie Chan movie it can’t wait to watch it. He gets killed in the first five minutes like oh he comes back right.

58:05.70
box they_them
Yes.

58:13.20
box they_them
Well, it’s like psycho everybody had thought that oh we’re gonna go see you know I forgot who played Marion. But.

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58:17.62
Daphne
So.

58:22.87
jim_phoenix
Ah, exactly. But that’s exactly it. You know why you forgot because Anthony and Perkins is so good and cycle. It doesn’t matter. It could just be him. It could just be him. That’s that’s with a big thing. oh oh. oh

58:27.65
box they_them
Yes, absolutely absolutely Absolutely. It’s ah I took a classical study in my college.

58:35.86
Daphne
I’m sorry I haven’t seen these old person movies like psycho.

58:42.30
jim_phoenix
The this was say just your what watch box I help you out box remember that time we met in Davis Sch Mueller’s class and we’re watching horror in Vegas and then he trashed his movie puppet master. Yeah.

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58:44.25
box they_them
When I was doing poppers I don’t know I’m running away.

58:52.89
Daphne
Okay.

58:56.47
box they_them
Sumer yeah.

58:59.49
Daphne
And what you were said.

59:01.19
jim_phoenix
But I think ah you know we sch smaller still there and still it could be now we just watch it because we’re in. We’re what we’re we’re juniors in college university yeah, it was just last year we were winners class in last year yeah yeah I was still working my term paper.

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59:08.40
box they_them
We were. We were so young we were so young it was right right.

59:18.22
Daphne
Um, yeah, yeah, um, we got its finals week next week.

59:19.92
jim_phoenix
I’ve got 400 words how I can never write 400 wordsbs as it on a paper is it it. We have to study that we asked we should be doing right now. He’s studying now it that scream what? what would you give scream 6 that the 30 miss of it. You.

59:26.86
box they_them
Oh I Just have my fun I don’t I go on.

59:39.53
jim_phoenix
Yeah I.

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59:40.66
Daphne
Honestly, if 5 out of 5 I’d recommend it to everyone. No context just watch group 6 you’ll you’ll love it. You’ll be a blast. Yeah.

59:48.17
jim_phoenix
And I’m I’m glad you brought up that your husband wasn’t into a lot of horror because he was also enraptured in it is this and taken in of cheese that’s actually like um.

59:57.15
Daphne
Yeah, well so we were about to go do a serial Killer themed Escape room and so yeah, it was very cool. Yeah with our friends and so the benefits of going to conferences right? is that universities will pay for you to to go.

59:58.77
box they_them
Oh romantic.

01:00:08.68
jim_phoenix
Yeah.

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01:00:17.60
Daphne
To California and do serial killer escape rooms. Ah, ah so but he was really.

01:00:17.38
box they_them
As we know as also students right? Just yes.

01:00:18.63
jim_phoenix
That’s amazing as students. Yes, fellow student work. My score the weed.

01:00:33.99
Daphne
Scared about the escape room because he was like he’s getting he was like yes, let’s do. It’s a good idea the closer we guy he was like this is a bad idea definite and and I was like well it’ll be okay, you know and they can’t do what it’s an escape room right? like it can’t be that scary. You’ll be okay I’ll be there. Our friends will be there. We’ll get out. It’ll be fine. Um.

01:00:36.61
box they_them
So.

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01:00:45.41
box they_them
I will protect you baby.

01:00:53.16
Daphne
Yeah I will protect you and then he watched 2 scream movies immediately prior to the serial killer escape room and he was like I don’t know why I did that now I’m even more freaked out about it but he loved it. But we just kept making jokes about how.

01:00:56.85
jim_phoenix
Ah.

01:01:10.40
jim_phoenix
Fear attack.

01:01:10.48
Daphne
And when 1 person left the room. We’d be like oh yeah, yeah, so they’re ghost face right? or we’d be like they come back and be like we have bad news. All 3 of us are ghost face and so we kept talking about how the actual goal of the escape room was was to figure out which one of us was ghost face.

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01:01:22.68
box they_them
So did you survive the Escape room. Hey.

01:01:25.13
jim_phoenix
Um I love it really because we saw ghost space.

01:01:28.50
Daphne
And yes, we made we did it in record time because my husband was so scared. Yeah, he was so scared he was solving the puzzles and upset maximum speed.

01:01:33.14
box they_them
Were you were you ghost face where you ghost face did he beat you up and then just walk away.

01:01:35.86
jim_phoenix
Did you just kill him. Did you like just beat him up when he saw him you’re like there’s 5 of us.

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01:01:41.60
Daphne
Well like but that’s what thecape room attendant was like you guys were like the funniest to watch because I had no you guys wrote on something because and we always just had nothing did s escapee room had nothing to do with ghost face. We were just talking about ghost face though.

01:01:50.35
box they_them
Um, yeah.

01:01:55.71
box they_them
Yeah I think it had everything to do with go space.

01:02:01.20
Daphne
I.

01:02:01.75
jim_phoenix
You’re making up your own backstory for the room like I think this is this one.

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01:02:05.11
Daphne
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much and she was like yeah you guys were a riot and super fast. So thank you scream 6

01:02:12.48
box they_them
So.

01:02:12.51
jim_phoenix
I dig that what? what was your culo for this one then first creamtics 5 like off I most Kstula ready for the ah escape room curious five I like amazing I love it.

01:02:19.33
box they_them
Um I don’t know 5

01:02:20.20
Daphne
Um I don’t know 5 it was amazing. 5 it was amazing it was a lot of fun in while we were in the escape room. The attendant was sneaking in and moving things around. Yeah and at one point.

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01:02:30.99
jim_phoenix
Oh god.

01:02:32.84
box they_them
Yeah, oh.

01:02:37.68
Daphne
Like are someone’s name was written on the fridge in like magnets and we noticed that at the beginning and then at 1 point like 1 of the clues was oh the person whose name is written on the fridgeridge has to do Xy and z and so they’re like oh you know you know I’m you know doing this activity. And then that like they came over the intercom and they’re like is god whose name is written on the fridge and we went and it was someone else’s because the attendant had snuck in and she changed the name that was on the fridge to someone else. You know different personing our party.

01:02:55.80
jim_phoenix
I read.

01:02:59.41
box they_them
Um, oh.

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01:03:03.80
box they_them
Who who.

01:03:05.80
jim_phoenix
Um, that’s sneaky that is dicky. Ah.

01:03:10.43
Daphne
Yeah, and at 1 point she just cholked a piece of metal into the room and it made such a loud bang. We all just jump and it’s funny because we were like huh. We must have put this weird hug of metal. We’ve never seen before on the counter in a way that made it fall.

01:03:21.45
jim_phoenix
It just fell right? off this thing.

01:03:26.56
Daphne
Really yeah I realize fell right? off this counter I’ve never seen this before my life but we must have put it precariously somewhere sketchy and then afterwards she’s like yeah I just threw it in there.

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01:03:32.73
jim_phoenix
It’s this Oh my God So with was was a room called gaslighting the room because that’s like like that was my name right? Ah course is your name buddy course it was That’s a.

01:03:41.20
box they_them
Um, yeah.

01:03:45.19
Daphne
Yeah, it was very spooky. It was well done.

01:03:50.78
jim_phoenix
We should do on. We should do a? ah oh yo it was ebe made a a quiche for 2 hours in the middle of an escape room I started just started cooking.

01:03:51.80
box they_them
We did one but it was a board game Jim we didn’t win. We died.

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01:03:58.21
Daphne
I will exits I like exits.

01:04:06.54
box they_them
Yeah, yeah, and and when we were trying to I don’t know if you ever put that up on haunted um until but.

01:04:09.10
jim_phoenix
In the middle of this April was like ah think for arenna I know.

01:04:13.88
jim_phoenix
I might but I do have I do have I played with other people I played it with some people who are yes, they were actually learning English and I was using it to teach englishman and they really in they served it took them.

01:04:18.84
box they_them
Did they do they survive.

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01:04:27.74
box they_them
And they survived. Okay.

01:04:29.80
Daphne
Oh nice.

01:04:32.41
jim_phoenix
They did some time and they they they took their time. They figured all the puzzles. Ah those was wonderful was brilliant because they felt accomplished like I did this in english oh I guess you did so 5 and another 5 um box not following any of that but you go box. You give me a movie that can beat box.

01:04:42.45
box they_them
Um, okay so it says that it came out in 2002 but it did not it came out in 2020 now I meant 2022 but it came out in 2023 and I watched it.

01:04:51.99
jim_phoenix
2002 okay

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01:05:01.94
box they_them
On Halloween this year and it was a breath of fresh air to be honest, it was actually um court court had recommended it to to me and she had done it on 1 of our previous streaming demons.

01:05:12.30
jim_phoenix
Heart squared.

01:05:19.36
box they_them
And it was the movie talk to me and it’s basically a group of friends who conjure spirits using this hand. That’s like been embalmed and yes that one and everything goes to shit and it actually has ah a song that’s.

01:05:31.28
jim_phoenix
Um, oh that one this on my list. Yeah.

01:05:34.87
Daphne
Yeah.

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01:05:38.37
box they_them
Going through Tiktok. Um, that’s very that’s very recognizable and but the whole score is actually really incredibly good. The acting is incredible. The girl who plays Mia which I’m getting right now. Sir I’m prepared Sophie Wilde

01:05:43.60
Daphne
Um, no.

01:05:56.90
box they_them
Phenomenal. So I don’t know what Sophie Wilde Sophie Wilde means but yes Sophie Wilde um she does an incredible job in it. It’s actually very somber and heartfelt. She’s going through.

01:05:57.15
jim_phoenix
Sophie wild no I is sure like Sophie Wild Sophie wild

01:06:15.90
box they_them
The loss of her mother and that’s what really leads? The story is loss and it’s just it’s so good and it was like I said I watched it on Halloween and I was just like this. This is what horror is like this is. Every quintessential thing that I was missing for a very long time and it was very It was incredible. It was fun I got scared I got sad I got there were moments of you know funniness like everything the gamut but it was It’s a wonderful.

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01:06:38.19
jim_phoenix
Really.

01:06:53.70
box they_them
Wonderful movie and my mom absolutely cannot watch it because it’s too scary.

01:06:57.90
jim_phoenix
Is well you know what? if your mom can’t watch that because it’s too scary have her watch the portable door with Sophie Wilde and Christopher Waltz yeah but that’s why and that’s what the name it’s it’s cute. It’s cute. Ah last of stuff in it.

01:07:01.21
Daphne
Um, women.

01:07:03.86
box they_them
Yeah, Sophie Wilde is also in the portable door but I have not seen it I have not seen it yet. Okay.

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01:07:16.99
jim_phoenix
But my God that’s a smell I wanted to watch talk to me and I got that one confused with another name as one does. That’s why I watch it different movie entirely like shit. Did you really? oh my god.

01:07:20.44
box they_them
Oh okay, yeah I I rented it and and then I bought it because I’m just like okay, yeah, absolutely absolutely actually and so unfortunately I don’t have summoning Sylvia but all the other movies that I have I have I bought them because I was I was so blown away by these.

01:07:44.90
jim_phoenix
That’s you have to walk me through it was it practical was that she Z was a practical all pro through all right.

01:07:46.88
box they_them
Practical practical My friend. Yes and and it was so and I use this word already. But I’m going to use again. It was very visceral. It was very heartbreaking and gross and disgusting and watching. These things happened. It was very realistic and which was horrific horrific. You know, just um because they are you know younger kids like us just just like us hey.

01:08:09.59
jim_phoenix
Right.

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01:08:16.44
jim_phoenix
Kids like this I know like so so’s 25 yeah the just just like ah me Jimbo I’m also like 20

01:08:21.98
Daphne
Um, yeah, just like us consumers.

01:08:26.27
box they_them
Yeah, yeah, Ah, but these were actually high school kids and um and they looked like high school kids and they acted like high school kids and just the whole thing was it was top notch. I was like completely engaged. The whole time you do.

01:08:43.58
jim_phoenix
I’ve I’ve got a lot of movies to watch I have to watch rewatch species I have to watch but but but but acamy I’ve already watched cocaine I’ve.

01:08:48.11
Daphne
And here.

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01:08:48.85
box they_them
Yeah, you already watch Cocaine bear.

01:08:55.25
jim_phoenix
I also had to watch my movies I had talked about today. So I think I watched that was later on and ah, no, that’s amazing I dig it damn all right.

01:09:01.60
box they_them
Yes, it was good. It was perfect. It was lovely and of so of course I’m giving out a 5 out of 5 Yeah I told you I’m telling you I’m bringing my a game to this I brought my a game. Yeah I know you you thought that.

01:09:08.56
jim_phoenix
Damn it damn it 5 out of 5 Oh man, they said you’re gonna bring a game to this which is why I brought the Texas chainsaw massacre game from trick or treat studios which by the way.

01:09:21.35
box they_them
But.

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01:09:28.38
jim_phoenix
Kicks some butt. We’re gonna play later on that is not a plug I Just really honestly God Love Trick ortre Studios they do fun masks. They are their horror game is spot on this game is engroaching. It’s is it’s the plug but I’m not plugging anything I Just like a man.

01:09:36.94
box they_them
Sounds like a plug.

01:09:41.65
Daphne
Yeah.

01:09:42.73
box they_them
Well, that’s I mean that’s what our plugs are That’s what our plugs are you know right? That’s what that’s the difference. We’re not shelling out. We’re not getting anything back.

01:09:45.27
jim_phoenix
I Have a interview.. There’s some stuff going out but there’s not a paid sponsorship up of that. It’s not.. It’s not a paid spot. Yeah, you know, um I’m getting from from them right? Well kind of get this game but other than that,, there’s There’s some really great horror people out there. I’m so glad. This is one of the things I really like being in the Twenty Twenty s because a lot of people grew up on the 95 horror like they grew up on this stuff and now they’re position to make games a position to make the movie some position to make the props and the and the candies and stuff of that. Oh man now. Yeah.

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01:10:14.39
Daphne
E.

01:10:18.68
box they_them
Not us not us though we it’s retro. It’s retro. It’s very late late ninety s yeah I was born in Nineteen Ninety Nine Point nine

01:10:20.14
Daphne
Not us can’t stress that enough. Yeah, we were born in the 90 s.

01:10:23.14
jim_phoenix
Yeah, yeah, oh I was born in 2000 I was born in 2002 yeah 1999 I was the print song. Oh man point 9 that’s right.

01:10:34.90
Daphne
Um, oh you’re younger than I am I was born in 1999 know 1999 why two k

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01:10:36.72
box they_them
Point Nine So I’m younger right? right? that was I would have been scared but I was a very tiny baby at the time like.

01:10:43.30
jim_phoenix
The other up. Oh then I’m gonna push oh that was real. So is I But mostly all of alcohol and drugs I bit to that one I was I fued that I still am still am like hey mom I got a number on book can I read it now.

01:10:53.93
Daphne
Um, yeah, so.

01:10:57.19
box they_them
You were a bad baby.

01:11:05.20
box they_them
No so what are you going to go with what’s your number 2 push it out.

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01:11:10.33
jim_phoenix
Right? number 2 this is tough this is tough this is tough because I honestly don’t know which one of these should be number 2 number 1 But I’m gonna go with the fall the house of usher for my number 2 with Mike Flanagan oddly enough I didn’t.

01:11:24.85
box they_them
I thought you were going to say Mike Myers

01:11:29.90
jim_phoenix
Mike Myyer knows something like fall Mike Flanagan I like this stuff we used to get a lot. We used to get a lot of Mike Flaninggan screeners from Netflix I just didn’t check my Netflix email lately. So I probably had 1 for this one too I just like didn’t fucking sorry guys sorry netflix whatever intern’s working for you now. Ah, that’s probably why you know to secure their fortune in future 2 roofless siblings build a dynasty that begins to crumble when their hes mysteriously die 1 by 1 so if you are a Mike Fegan fan you already know what you’re gonna get into it’s gonna be a lot of dialogue it literally. Happens between a cop ish I guess a prosecutor what it was going to be and 1 of the protagonists just sitting in a chair talking that is that goes on for like 8 episodes. So if you hate talking this really is not your.

01:12:21.48
box they_them
Oh this is a show. Ah ah, okay.

01:12:25.47
jim_phoenix
Yeah, it’s a miniseries. It’s a limited time It’s a limited series I should say it’s it’s on Netflix. It’s really smart is glowing. There’s no real bad episode. There’s no episode I wanted to skip because sometimes we we see those. And they’re all based on poe stories like I’ll just give you the the title it’s like the Raven Pitten Pendulum Gold bug tellta har black cab murder in the room more mas red death midnight ju so it’s all posque that and then the acting is my god.

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01:12:55.89
box they_them
M.

01:13:04.31
jim_phoenix
Just masterful. It is stars a bunch of people because a lot of people spoiler a lot of them die a lot. Um like that that that this whole premise of the show like a lot of these will die like don’t it’s like game of thrones don’t get attached anyone. We’ve got Carla. Ah.

01:13:11.13
box they_them
Oh.

01:13:13.11
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:23.22
jim_phoenix
Kogenie and great Bruce Greenwood as Roderick usher Mary Mcdonwell and Henry Thomas we’ve got a bunch of just killer people in this no pun and I love this because I was looking at at the at the show without seeing any of of the character or the the acting list. Mark Ham was in it I was like motherfucker this Mark fucking am on this and he doesn’t play a small role. He’s actually a big fucking part of this like my god he does it so well and they think of all the time he is a great actory his joker is the joker for me.

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01:13:44.79
box they_them
Um, yeah isn’t the interesting guy.

01:13:46.41
Daphne
Um.

01:13:53.38
box they_them
He’s a good actor. Yeah oh yeah, a hundred percent a hundred percent

01:13:59.96
jim_phoenix
Mark Ham’s program I just can’t I can’t get enough of that and the characters are they’re all flawed. This is like a really what was like black midnight mass I think it was midnight mass from. Um, yeah.

01:14:01.38
Daphne
Um area.

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01:14:13.47
box they_them
No.

01:14:18.26
jim_phoenix
This is midnight mass set to Poe I think that could be accurate. it’s it’s smart it doesn’t rely on a lot of jumps. It doesn’t rely on effects. It has effects. It can have jumps but that’s not it. It’s an actual horror drama and yeah, like the.

01:14:21.10
box they_them
Interesting.

01:14:36.57
jim_phoenix
Netflix does horrorrid drama and mystery. So if you like toing in Venice ah deathy you have nothing you know have to see but there you go, you can find a way to watch it I think each episode is like an hour ish long so this is like 8 hours of your life or as we found out 1

01:14:43.66
Daphne
I don’t look I’ll find a way to watch it.

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01:14:49.66
box they_them
Um.

01:14:55.89
jim_phoenix
Child of the killer moon I think that’s actually a play. What was the 1 of Leo Nao Dicaprio that I kind of liked was like 12 hours too long that one so actually what? Okay yeah, flower is a Killer Moon is like it was too long for me but I liked it. This is like one in a half of those. So if you can watch that movie in the theater.

01:15:05.49
Daphne
Flowers of the Killer men and.

01:15:08.30
box they_them
Is this a good thing.

01:15:10.67
Daphne
This is oh.

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01:15:14.45
jim_phoenix
You can watch these little things push them out and I want to say thank to Isaac Thorne for i’t even know this existed because again I don’t want read my emails sorry guys and I got too much. Ah so isaac. Thanks again for saying to watch this and you’re right man this kicks some but it’s.

01:15:20.22
box they_them
Yes.

01:15:32.90
jim_phoenix
8 hours to 13 minutes from start to finish scenario I gosh there’s no slow episodes the overall stories there you you cannot skip an episode then understand what happens it is linear that way I you said it was a 5 gosh. I’ll give us a 5 I’ll give it a five five out of 5 could through is that’s my final offer I think that’s it number 2 is done in the can is’s donez so go watch it fall the house of usher check it out now. Daphhany What’s your number one? Yeah oh oh oh yeah.

01:16:13.91
Daphne
Um, my number 1 is the last of us which is tv show. Um I think it’s very popular so I feel like you know, a lot of people jellies to general understanding of what’s going on but it’s most.

01:16:16.26
box they_them
Um.

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01:16:28.66
Daphne
I would say characterdriven zombie drama less zombies more people ah fighting with each other pedro pasal assumes love pedro pesal yeah, and Bella Ramsson um so yeah’s it’s.

01:16:32.41
jim_phoenix
Yeah pedro and Bella Ramsey yeah

01:16:35.70
box they_them
Pedro Pascal

01:16:48.49
Daphne
It’s more or less. What’s what’s going on. It’s about um Pedro Pascal’s character attempting to get um aie which is Bell Ramsson’s character to um, some scientists so they could figure out why? um ellie.

01:16:54.94
jim_phoenix
Right.

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01:17:04.16
jim_phoenix
Get.

01:17:04.92
Daphne
Is Immune to the Zombie virus and as as a microbiologist I Love the Fungus Zombies Fungus Zombies cool as hell me up now I’ve not played the game.

01:17:10.70
jim_phoenix
Really.

01:17:10.20
box they_them
Um, a now did you play the game before. Okay.

01:17:15.30
jim_phoenix
As a nasta. Yeah.

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01:17:23.50
Daphne
But I think the tv show is really really good I think it’s it looks beautiful. Yeah, the script um is really great. It looks beautiful like the the emotions are there and then all of of course was it the third episode.

01:17:23.61
jim_phoenix
It’s 1 for 1 Yeah, it.

01:17:32.23
jim_phoenix
Absolutely.

01:17:41.30
Daphne
Our are our terrible awful um gay episode in which things are incredibly terribly sad. That’s most heart wrenching you know Tv I’ve seen all year for sure.

01:17:43.77
box they_them
Yellow.

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01:17:53.16
jim_phoenix
Yeah, it’s if you did play the game I play the original version. Thanks to Lizzie Nicodemus ah for that and when I was. Playing it. The game is heart wrenching like it’s just so beautifully written and acted and voice acted and so when they’re saying we’re doing a ah tv show like really I don’t you know this is gonna like bomb value but it’s got page of pascal’s like it’s got baroda. It’s got like baby Yoda’s dad in it like.

01:18:09.40
box they_them
Yeah.

01:18:11.21
Daphne
Yeah.

01:18:25.63
box they_them
Ah.

01:18:26.75
jim_phoenix
Yeah, how the hell is gonna do this and then like Bella Ramp play and the kid who killed the giant in the game of frows like that one. Whatever then someone pay me no baller Ramsey is is the ah.

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01:18:27.62
Daphne
Um.

01:18:36.93
Daphne
I don’t think Belle of re am I crazy I don’t think Belle of ramsy is in game of thrones.

01:18:42.30
box they_them
Everyone was in game in thrones everyone I feel like that.

01:18:44.42
jim_phoenix
I Yeah I want us is it really do I have that one now ahead of the game.

01:18:50.44
Daphne
Um, I’m looking up are you mixing in mixing it up with the the Stark sister is that who you’re talking about but she is in game sorry they are in game with Mar owns.

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01:18:58.50
jim_phoenix
No, no, no, no, no no I’m looking up. Yeah, she’s like the ah she’s one of the the moremonts are you? She’s one of the ones that takes up like I will stand with you and everyone’s like ah it’s just with little kids and she kicks Everyone’s as yeah.

01:19:06.26
Daphne
I Yeah lie in a mormon. So.

01:19:09.26
box they_them
Oh yeah, I Vaguely remember that.

01:19:15.32
jim_phoenix
And so I seen that like my God and but I didn’t remember because I didn’t I got the original and again if you don’t have a playstation. You can’t play the last of that’s why it? yeah okay or it. Okay.

01:19:18.94
Daphne
Crazy. Yeah.

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01:19:25.40
box they_them
You can also to be honest, you could just do what I did and watch Mark Plier play it and it no it’s it’s very good and honestly the the gay was a very very slight subplot.

01:19:26.99
Daphne
Yeah, well now it’s out on pc.

01:19:32.68
jim_phoenix
Yeah, you to watch it. Yeah, it.

01:19:34.81
Daphne
I can I considered doing that.

01:19:44.66
box they_them
To where it’s like you just find them and then you read like certain letters and stuff like that. Yeah, it’s not and and they I guess expanded that and was it who’s in it Nick Awkward yeah Yeah yeah,

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01:19:48.60
jim_phoenix
The diary. Yeah.

01:19:53.48
Daphne
Yeah, yeah.

01:19:59.20
jim_phoenix
The guy from the office is all I remember and then I never watched the office but that’s all but the guy from the office is gay I’m like I don’t know oh whatever I don’t watch either.

01:20:01.37
Daphne
Yeah I need you mean parks rec.

01:20:04.62
box they_them
Off me yeah parks and wreck he played another gay guy on Brooklyn nine nine as well Nico. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he great. He’s he’s a great actor.

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01:20:15.39
Daphne
So it’s Nick Offerman is his name.

01:20:16.80
jim_phoenix
Nick there you go? Yeah now it’s um, it’s amazing and oh yeah, apps. Absolutely it’s it’s hard catching.

01:20:23.22
box they_them
He’s funny. He’s very funny in person as well like I’ve heard him in podcasts and he’s very very funny that dry wit and humor.

01:20:31.60
jim_phoenix
But will you hear them in our podcast next year of terra readid spoilers may bees may ob bees actually probably not i’t talk to those people so probably not.

01:20:34.94
box they_them
Maybe I mean that would be fun. Male bees I hear that the music is very good as well in in the last of us.

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01:20:38.20
Daphne
I Think so yeah.

01:20:48.50
jim_phoenix
Yeah, and yeah it right? Okay, so I think I think we can talk about the first episode a little bit were you like after the first surface of like what the.

01:20:50.55
Daphne
Um, yeah, it’s a great great show. I Highly recommend it.

01:21:04.65
jim_phoenix
Like a we’re all. Yeah, um, right.

01:21:05.49
Daphne
Um, so I I had the vague I knew vaguely what the the plot of the the games last show was just because like you know you hear things. Um, regardless of whether you mean to or not and um, so but I was like so impressed immediately with like the visuals.

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01:21:24.47
jim_phoenix
Yeah, unfortunately, and partially yes.

01:21:25.31
Daphne
I think that we’ve gotten into like a state where it’s expected for visuals to be kind of Shitty you know at a certain point. Yeah you know and so I was like really impressed by the visuals really enthmpressed by like the acting. Um.

01:21:30.27
box they_them
Um, ah yes.

01:21:41.99
Daphne
Dialogue the story. Everything was like really top notch and it was all very like stressful immediately to I Only watched some of the locking dead and just kind of like random seasons. Um, and I didn’t I never was like super attached to it.

01:21:46.83
jim_phoenix
Um, yes.

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01:22:01.66
Daphne
But I think the last of us is like a better job of being like a super like invested in what’s going on and then like everything is part of the story. So like the the set is part of the story and and um.

01:22:14.60
jim_phoenix
Um, right.

01:22:16.36
Daphne
Where where what they’re doing who they’re talking to it all feels like like a giant world um of really interesting stuff versus like ah you know the walkie dad kind of felt like there are zombies right? where these people are and nowhere else.

01:22:25.83
box they_them
Yeah, the the working dead is dead. It’s yeah.

01:22:30.65
jim_phoenix
It fell underneath its own way. It’s the walking dead. You know the first season is pretty good titish. But then after that.

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01:22:37.88
box they_them
But well well here’s the thing is they they fired the director that did the first season and all of the actors had come together basically because they really wanted to work with this director and um.

01:22:45.64
jim_phoenix
Um, they’re there.

01:22:56.60
box they_them
And then Amc fired him and then it kind of went to shit because no offense, but it just did allegedly alleged.

01:23:03.49
jim_phoenix
I I can’t talk bad about Amc I’m actually ah obliged to say good thing although I tell you what I’ll watch I do know that walking dead the first couple seasons had Michael Rooker in it and I’ll watch him make an omeellet I’ll watch Michael make like I I love him and him.

01:23:11.18
Daphne
Yes.

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01:23:21.90
jim_phoenix
Always he always makes me laugh when I see him but I I will say this about Mike I fucking say this? It’s not a big like so Nda thick thing but he cares about people like he truly engages with his fans. He’s always so giving he’s got a lot of fucking energy.

01:23:32.18
box they_them
Okay.

01:23:39.97
jim_phoenix
And it’s never a bad experience with Michael Roker ever so I can’t even imagine not liking any of his characters aren’t of his work but just because the person who he is and and so I’ll always watch something. He’s in it. Of course they come off. But.

01:23:49.91
box they_them
And.

01:23:58.23
box they_them
Yeah, ah I mean everybody everybody.

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01:23:58.74
jim_phoenix
It just becomes like yeah it’s set it sakes I think walking dead ses and we’re last of us does not say because it’s very again zoomer tight as fellow zoomer it’s very boom boom it’s tight and we care about the characters we’t even know those 2 dudes we will cry we’re like were these asmals.

01:24:01.53
Daphne
Yeah.

01:24:09.69
Daphne
Um, yes, we all need tight.

01:24:11.91
box they_them
Um, no yeah.

01:24:16.72
Daphne
Yeah, yes.

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01:24:17.57
jim_phoenix
I I might I didn’t get that part of the game of like I don’t remember this shit like sort of maybe the diary bullshit like maybe like vaguely you know a couple years ago and like oh my god this is fucking horrific that this is yeah is like what.

01:24:22.53
box they_them
Um, ah.

01:24:31.82
Daphne
Yeah, I’m just like so sobbing like I know who these people are but I hate this.

01:24:36.81
jim_phoenix
Um, I know I’m like reviewing it I think I was reviewing it for like sexy fan I’m like the tweet and tweet here’s my joke I love you guys? Yeah, so I guess 5 out of 5 I’m guessing 5

01:24:45.84
Daphne
So. I and yeah it was good. That’s 5 yeah we’ll call it a 5 look a species 5 and scream 6 is 5 the last of us is a 5 3.

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01:24:55.42
box they_them
Um.

01:24:55.79
jim_phoenix
Oh.

01:24:59.99
jim_phoenix
That your 5 all right I wast two I know I they should of killed more people I box you’re up number 1 number 1 box sure you rep.

01:25:00.52
box they_them
It’s got to be 5 that’d be funny if you’re like 3 but.

01:25:09.37
Daphne
Hate it? Yeah yeah.

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01:25:11.77
box they_them
I’m being a rebel I’m being a rebel because I get to because it’s it’s the end of the year I’ve taken so many so many Bigfoot calls that I didn’t want to take I get to I get to be a rebel so I didn’t I I had originally picked.

01:25:19.26
jim_phoenix
God.

01:25:24.94
jim_phoenix
Terry goes.

01:25:28.78
box they_them
All movies. Um, but if we’re talking about Tv shows and especially Tv shows. Yes, yes, you do and and I’m going to say it Jim I’m going to say this because again ban fan interaction.

01:25:32.34
jim_phoenix
No oh no, no I know you’re talking about you are damn it damn it. Ah.

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01:25:46.24
jim_phoenix
Um, what the okay a I’ll get yeah.

01:25:46.69
box they_them
Fan interaction. Okay so I’m going to give a 5 to good omens season two and we have just been renewed babies just been renewed for season 3 so we will get that probably in like 4 years and you know what I’ll be there I’ll be waiting. Ah, be waiting outside that window.

01:26:06.90
jim_phoenix
Yeah I god oh okay season 1 was amazing. You know.

01:26:10.75
box they_them
Is it season 1 was fun season 2 is the bridge to season 3 Neil Gaiman has said that and I love it and I loved it and I still love it and I’m still watching it and I’m waiting for season 3 very patiently.

01:26:28.36
jim_phoenix
Ah, yeah, okay I can say I’ll do it I I don’t yeah yeah I like good omens as well I if it wasn’t for Neil gaming.

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01:26:33.72
box they_them
They’re great characters, great characters very much in love. Thank you! Thank you? Daphne.

01:26:39.67
Daphne
I Like good omens I Love good omens.

01:26:45.13
box they_them
You should see the second season. It’s but it’s but Neil Gayman and oh Terry Pratchett Terry Pratrit no they had no listen to me.

01:26:46.11
Daphne
I haven’t seen the Segna season yet.

01:26:48.24
jim_phoenix
Yeah, ah because the book ends after one. That’s why I was like always like um well Terry pressure sure the hell didn’t prat dead. He didn’t do anything they had like ah they had like a little I know they had an outline of something they want to do like.

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01:26:57.63
Daphne
So yeah I love teryfrutches I.

01:27:02.95
box they_them
Listen to me and they talked about it continuously they talked about it at great length and so so do you know Neil Gaiman’s personal lives with no, you don’t so they were very good friends.

01:27:07.13
jim_phoenix
Later on. Oh once you’re using a viji board.

01:27:18.25
jim_phoenix
Um, personally no, my no one’s dead.

01:27:22.53
box they_them
They were. They were very good friends and this is also him carrying on the story that they were that they were creating together out.

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01:27:29.64
jim_phoenix
We an homage I know no what? that’s I’m saying um if it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t watch it. It feels like oh we we got to hit let’s do season 2 and he was like no I would not have watched it.

01:27:39.52
box they_them
Bless Neil Gaymon is all I got to say I love this guy. He’s yep and I think if you if you watch season 2 Daphne it is a little bit in.

01:27:44.10
Daphne
Um, yeah I like new gamon like to Terry Pratchett like good omens and.

01:27:45.26
jim_phoenix
I think.

01:27:49.69
jim_phoenix
Ah, this world. Yeah.

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01:27:58.38
box they_them
It is a little bit jumbled because they had like funding things and things like that. But it is the bridge to yeah the and the pandemic um which they had to basically do a show together staged. Yep yep and um, basically.

01:28:02.72
jim_phoenix
Pandemic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:14.43
jim_phoenix
Staged Yeah changed.

01:28:18.38
box they_them
It’s the bridge to what’s coming next and we have what’s coming next because thankfully they renewed it. So um, yeah.

01:28:26.60
Daphne
Um, that.

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01:28:27.54
jim_phoenix
I get worried for what’s coming next? No it is I like it and it’s good omens season two I would still give like that 5 I know you didn’t do your story but it is really is good and it was I was worried because.

01:28:34.27
Daphne
That’s a great pick. Yeah.

01:28:36.13
box they_them
Yeah.

01:28:46.22
jim_phoenix
Once you got the book done and now you’re going back from memory of a notes on the conversation hey buddy now my cast saying what’s up.

01:28:51.13
box they_them
Oh my cat’s right here next to me too. But it’s a incredible cast Michael Sheen and David Tennant just are amazing.

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01:28:55.47
Daphne
Yeah, my newest sleep next to me now.

01:28:59.41
jim_phoenix
Um, but I um for amazing. Yeah, we got like tenant like the shakespearean actor also done doctor who in broad church and one.

01:29:06.37
Daphne
Um, easy of course.

01:29:08.65
box they_them
Yes, and Michael Sheen who’s like this dark horse who does all of these wild things. That’s why I started watching twilight is because I want to get to where he’s at he’s an underworld. Yes, he’s he is in Caligula.

01:29:20.26
jim_phoenix
Underworld. He’s also an underworld by the way magazine. Yeah.

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01:29:24.61
Daphne
Um, yeah, big underworld fan and he’s in 1 of the weird vampire movies. No no a different weird one. No.

01:29:28.47
box they_them
Yes, with I mean Underworld Twilight Tron Legacy Masters of sex.

01:29:31.98
jim_phoenix
No.

01:29:39.28
jim_phoenix
No I know it’s um, trying that was minutenight in Paris a lot could be a vamperre.

01:29:41.30
Daphne
Trying to find it is it I I’m looking to thyme db he is in midnight pairs. But I don’t think that’s it. It’s um, is in it interview is he an interview with a vampire.

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01:29:46.97
box they_them
A.

01:29:54.87
box they_them
I don’t think so the damned united I don’t know I never just yeah, he’s he’s in twilight he is Caligula. Yeah.

01:29:57.30
jim_phoenix
Um I don’t know it’s been a while now we’re going through. He’s in twilight Saga he’s in twilight.

01:30:03.70
Daphne
I yeah I thought it just picture him I may a picture him I have an image of him wearing like an elaborate like Victorian.

01:30:08.60
jim_phoenix
And 30 rock.

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01:30:15.16
box they_them
I think I think what you’re thinking of is twilight actually yes he was in twilight. Yes, in fact, in stage in stage. They bring that up. It’s so funny because they’ll bring they bring up Harry Potter and then he brings up twilight and then.

01:30:18.40
jim_phoenix
That might be twilight or frost Nixon.

01:30:20.52
Daphne
El Good Oh is nobody wears in toilet I Originally thought that.

01:30:31.86
jim_phoenix
Oh yeah, cause they wasn’t.

01:30:34.17
box they_them
They bicker and it’s it’s it’s very funny. You should. You should see that as well because that’s I feel like season 1 they’re kind of getting together trying to like figure things out but in season 2 because of staged they have such chemistry. And they’re just working off of each other and it’s a lot of fun and it so yes I I like it so so but I’m going to also steal it to go back to my movie which I’d chosen so I’m being a rupple.

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01:30:57.63
jim_phoenix
I like Romans It’s good omen.

01:31:07.50
jim_phoenix
Um, oh um.

01:31:10.56
box they_them
So that gets 5 and also this movie gets 5 and it’s also part of our what’s Kraken as I interviewed the director of this movie and this movie of course that I’ve seen 6 times already 6 or 7 I can’t remember is Hashtag. Chad gets the axe. Oh Chad. Yeah no I was just saying I had taken so many big foot calls that I felt I deserve to to take over and give 2 of my number ones.

01:31:32.95
jim_phoenix
Um, ah I think I say Seth 3 loves thing. Okay Hashtag because he’s said Bigfoot.

01:31:41.52
jim_phoenix
Oh youre going, get do to? Okay, that’s what I was I Thought’renna do sets. Okay Shag is the act.

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01:31:50.13
box they_them
Jad gets the x and I’m doing that because again I loved the movie. It was so funny Spencer Levin and Michael Boini Tanisha figure out the gear I’m so sorry figuregiro cameron Vetosh um, they’re just it’s so funny. It’s so.

01:32:04.84
jim_phoenix
Um, figure out.

01:32:09.92
box they_them
Such good writing. It’s a lot of fun. It is for zoomers Daphne so you might like it. Um, they actually did a lot of test screenings and you you guys can hear all about this because like I said the director talked to me. We had a great interview but they tested it with a lot of people to get lingo down to get the rhythm down.

01:32:15.00
Daphne
Oh oh.

01:32:23.65
jim_phoenix
Um, yep.

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01:32:29.78
box they_them
Because it’s a live stream where these influencers go into this murder house and bad things happen, but it is. It’s a lot of you’ll laugh. It has a very impactful message in the end I felt and um. It was just really good. It was a shoestring kind of budget but like the best independent movies that had a good script. It had good acting and they really killed it Ha Ha Ha But there was there was a pun but no cap, no caps or but.

01:32:58.65
jim_phoenix
No pun or I guess there was a pun all right? What’s what’s your Ah what? what? where’s your Ah, what’s reading was reading my damn.

01:33:06.97
box they_them
5 out of 5 of course 5 out of 5 and again like okay so it is on prime you have to purchase it but well yes, it’s a small independent movie. Unfortunately, so.

01:33:12.42
Daphne
Where it was this on prime with what platforms are.

01:33:19.73
jim_phoenix
It’s on Prime you purchase it ah pag gets a discount. That’s what chad needs.

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01:33:28.30
box they_them
I mean you know if you want me to definitely I’ll pay it for it for you I’ve done that with a few friends because it’s like I want people to to support them and you know he’s a really great guy. Um, they’re they’re all really fun people. You can find them on Instagram. Unk cheg gets the as Travis bible is also on Instagram he was a lot of fun and um, it’s just it’s it’s I got scared which I got it as a screener originally um for a film festival I wanted just to watch half of it. I.

01:33:49.24
jim_phoenix
Yeah.

01:34:06.20
box they_them
Had to watch the entire fucking thing and I was so angry at that because it was so late at night and so I wrote this angry happy review and then later on when they did actually distribute it I I had them come on and I did another review for for the site. So.

01:34:12.32
Daphne
You.

01:34:25.77
box they_them
Hashag cheg gets the axe. He also has a few songs. Um I believe that you can buy on ah Amazon as well that are in the movie. You know, um’s it’s chag. It’s ah sure sure he’s a great guy. He seems his funny.

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01:34:36.23
jim_phoenix
Are are you plugging him now it can Travis now. Ah, oh yeah, what’s cracking dang right.

01:34:45.14
box they_them
Watch the listen to the interview of what’s cracking with me I I control it Jim’s not there. It’s just me and we have a good time talking about a fun movie 5 out of five five out of 5

01:34:54.91
jim_phoenix
Fine have good time about me, go 5 out of 5 for you know what? I I can top that I’m gonna top this you know I’m my top this I’m gonna give you the best movie of 2023 ever not even horror just any movie at all 2023 the best 1

01:35:02.84
box they_them
Top that.

01:35:11.18
box they_them
May you’re just you’re going off the chain Sir This is not what we agreed to ah species take.

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01:35:12.17
Daphne
And in it.

01:35:14.36
jim_phoenix
Ah, and although as a species that it it was almost clerks 3 is almost clarks three Kevin you got that’s type movie I saw him screen Clark 3 I’m still waiting for the third one in the great white children.

01:35:19.20
Daphne
Um, the species.

01:35:24.34
box they_them
Yo yoder wait yoga hosers part 2

01:35:33.47
box they_them
Yeah, we’re almost there I got.

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01:35:34.37
jim_phoenix
Ah, mosjaws which would be a great but I’m I’m keeping the ho in the horror vein. It’s going to be with Nicholas Holt and aquafina none. But then this little guy he’s also there’s also a costar of these guys I don’t know he might make ah Nick cage isnt it.

01:35:42.86
box they_them
Um, oh.

01:35:48.70
box they_them
I Know exactly what you’re talking about? Yes yeah.

01:35:54.36
Daphne
Yeah.

01:35:54.45
jim_phoenix
Ah, yeah, renfield 2023 it is endearing is what I needed at that time. This is probably why it’s my number 1 if you really want to watch a movie that’s taking the dracula thing off what. This is what dra I dead loving should have been for me. This is is like I don’t know who really wrote this I I probably could scroll up and find out but like I can scroll ah Ryan ridley robert kirkman and evi tramer.

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01:36:11.46
box they_them
Yes, agreed agreed.

01:36:19.65
box they_them
You could you I think you have the power to do that.

01:36:30.87
jim_phoenix
I don’t know if they just read trackalet and this is the less people who touched the movie that original pre me they just like maybe watch dracu and death and loving it like we did like oh this is a great movie like oh man, that’s suck ass like Leslie Niels and these are better than this and this is the movie that he would absolutely killing.

01:36:49.52
box they_them
Um.

01:36:50.50
jim_phoenix
Leslie Nielsen would be great in either the nickel or the k nick k to nickcks sunset that’s weird. The knicks Nicki’s either nickeral manss. Oh that’s something else, but absolutely loved it.

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01:36:56.25
box they_them
Knickknacks Nick with an a to nick without an an h nickrommancers.

01:36:57.29
Daphne
See.

01:37:07.20
jim_phoenix
Is as Renfield draclus henchman intimate or inmates in me the illotic silent for decades longs for a life away from that count is various to demands and all bloodshed that comes with them including like self-help group like it. It brings theacular story as a come again.

01:37:19.77
box they_them
And. Yes.

01:37:25.56
jim_phoenix
Is horror comedy into a more realistic world of how this really look like in today like how would drla really play out because we got the internet. We’ve all the bunchs of other stuff you couldn’t just get away with all the murders anymore. You’d you’d have to cover up somehow and Nick Cage does an amazing.

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01:37:41.74
box they_them
Oh my god nick cage as Dracula is insane. He eats up everything he just gobbles it up. He’s so much ham and cheese and everything on screen and I loved it.

01:37:45.12
jim_phoenix
Barmans.

01:37:57.71
jim_phoenix
Yeah, and and the funny thing is and I agree when you have someone who’s basically what cyclops an xmen like Nickcole is is very Cris crismatic.

01:38:06.67
box they_them
Okay, so Nick Hall I I have a crush on him. He’s very very cute and he’s beast. Yeah, you did. He’s these.

01:38:18.50
Daphne
Um, he’s not cyclop tea’s beast. Yeah I would for a second I was like who the hell are you talking about but like that kid that dude is not in this movie and I looked I was like oh yes, like beast. Yeah.

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01:38:19.82
jim_phoenix
He’s been oh my God They think sight lives I’m so sorry I’m sorry sorry I will give you my how is but he is beast hang it.

01:38:26.12
box they_them
Yeah.

01:38:30.96
box they_them
Yeah, he was also he was also in Mad max.

01:38:33.60
jim_phoenix
Saying it I can no longer watch the exmen movies also called fear Osa Now Fury Road Fear Fury road ah phrasing I didn’t watch that one yet.

01:38:41.38
box they_them
He is going to be in furioa though. Yeah, but he’s also going to be in no spat to 2024

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01:38:47.75
Daphne
He was also in the menu.

01:38:55.10
jim_phoenix
Wait a minute. What was the one that was ah Dra a ship the demer. Yeah, thank you not bad, but the guy who plays the sea captain and every movie I’ve ever seen a minute. Ah, the.

01:38:57.75
box they_them
Um, oh yeah.

01:39:00.31
Daphne
Um, the last boy to get a meter.

01:39:10.39
jim_phoenix
There’s not my top 4 that would have been if we did 5 I’ve been there though but we also have aquafina if you haven’t seen Aquafina you’ve never seen oceans eight I have never seen crazy rich asians but apparently they’re under that as well. Oh that’s what it would.

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01:39:16.45
box they_them
You felt said Root Alsoa Asa jumanji the new Jumanji yeah well, there’s a new jamanji she’s in it. She’s it with the rock.

01:39:26.63
jim_phoenix
Ah, New New New Newmanji the the jamanist the rock which rock I don’t think icoine it are you sure now we’re all doubting I see I see. Ah.

01:39:27.31
Daphne
Um, the new you manji.

01:39:34.32
box they_them
You Yeah, she was on her movie choose. Okay, we’re gonna Okay, we’re gonna look it up.

01:39:35.66
Daphne
I didn’t know the Aine was in that movie.

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01:39:44.30
Daphne
I’m doubting you I look I’ll look it up. You know I should do that? yeah.

01:39:45.56
jim_phoenix
Shang qi in the legend of the 10 rings 2021 those demon

01:39:48.75
box they_them
She was in jamanji because that was where I first saw her. Yes.

01:39:52.60
jim_phoenix
The next level. Oh my god you’re right? Damn it we but we’re all downing people we we’re we’re bunch of doubters man this is what happens we’re doing like 2 hours of podcasting Jack f fact yeah I had like that one on those too.

01:39:55.87
Daphne
You right? She’s in jamaji.

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01:39:59.68
box they_them
I knew that was where I I saw her first.

01:40:06.50
Daphne
I Also didn’t think she was in Oceans eight So must be is.

01:40:09.28
box they_them
Anyway, Yes, she was She’s in this as well. She’s a cop. She’s a cop which is a like a role that I wouldn’t have seen her taking and she plays it really well.

01:40:13.93
jim_phoenix
So she does a lot of nice comedy chops I think you look at? yeah.

01:40:26.95
jim_phoenix
Yeah, and I’ll say this for a lot for the amount of like Nick cage movies that came out in last two years and some was really good horror and it’s almost just amazing. Good horror. Not all of it. But some of us a really good like.

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01:40:33.38
box they_them
Oh my gosh. Yes, he’s been in everything. Some of it is really good and yeah.

01:40:46.42
jim_phoenix
You know he’s He’s throwing a bunch of stuff under the wall right now and he’s you know his performances are always good.

01:40:47.86
box they_them
Oh yeah, he’s speak. He’s he’s always he’s always done that though like he always he plays everything.

01:40:57.59
jim_phoenix
He’s got a new one coming out that I want to see and it’s ah oh man, what was it sympathy for the devil I guess already came out 2023 and I didn’t see it because yeah yeah I think so but I’m giving this one a.

01:41:02.14
box they_them
A. Because we had lives something like that.

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01:41:08.99
Daphne
Okay.

01:41:15.54
jim_phoenix
5 out of 5 nick cage I’m calling full circle with the Cassie Keat thing with Nick Cage backed back to Nick Cage of Nick Cage so 5 out of 5 if you haven’t seen Runfield I think I actually paid for this one.

01:41:28.91
box they_them
It’s It’s a It’s a really good heartfelt one. You know it’s It’s for when you want to watch something with your mom. Ah I would yes.

01:41:32.30
jim_phoenix
Um, yeah.

01:41:34.72
Daphne
You.

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01:41:39.00
jim_phoenix
Um, yes, if you are horror light This will get you in.

01:41:42.68
box they_them
Honestly I I I could see myself showing this to my mom and I think she would like it a lot. It might be a little bit goopy in parts because you know there’s still death but in yunks.

01:41:52.72
jim_phoenix
Just so death exists. So that’s my last one. That’s my final offer five out of 5 all right? Yay plug time Daphne what would you like to plug.

01:41:58.54
box they_them
Yeah.

01:42:06.44
Daphne
Um, of course the 1955 movie species. Um, whatever, whatever your was um.

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01:42:07.94
box they_them
1955

01:42:11.91
jim_phoenix
But whatever decade this was today.

01:42:17.38
box they_them
Ah out. Yeah I’m surprised there wasn’t in black and white to be honest.

01:42:18.54
Daphne
Way that no that olden time when all those like boomers were around I don’t know yeah, black and white silent silent picture. No um, recently yeah, exactly.

01:42:19.84
jim_phoenix
Up over. Big clerks to dig.

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01:42:26.93
box they_them
Yeah, that was in black and white because I was so old.

01:42:35.83
Daphne
Had a story that was published in eerie christmas three who but like your press which Jim just interviewed me about 2 hours ago so fact quite the evening and.

01:42:36.72
jim_phoenix
Woo An amazing story.

01:42:42.25
jim_phoenix
Yeah I know we would just hanging out today.

01:42:44.93
box they_them
Um, ah.

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01:42:53.43
Daphne
And also I have um, a really cool website called Ww www dot dig that pizza so you know to check it out. No dank. Yeah d yeah yeah, thank that pizza.

01:42:56.82
box they_them
We think think as in like we’re thanking the pizza Dank Pizza Dank Dot pizza.

01:42:57.28
jim_phoenix
Dank dot pizza. No dank as in what Elon Musk tweeted out once for Dan that pizza.

01:43:12.84
Daphne
So check that out um has all kinds of cool mysterious stuff on it.

01:43:13.14
box they_them
A.

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01:43:13.50
jim_phoenix
It is cool. Oh I got the poetry page up right now. But I’m link it into the chat for your box. Yeah, and those like I like the poetry pages much. Yeah, well, that’s amazing. Those are danglies dank d and kdot pizza yeah

01:43:18.33
box they_them
Oh I think yes.

01:43:24.91
box they_them
Those are good plugs think Dank good plugs.

01:43:26.95
Daphne
Um, these are my plugs.

01:43:30.90
Daphne
What exactly.

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01:43:32.85
jim_phoenix
Yeah I love it I think those box. What do you got? what you got for pluged oh care has your plug plug your Pi all sorry yes it’ss.

01:43:35.10
box they_them
Yes, so we’re I knew that he would I knew that he would okay so as we’re returning over another year and coming up with our new.

01:43:51.90
jim_phoenix
A new baby that that they burn up later baby on. Oh.

01:43:52.60
box they_them
New Year’s resolutions. 1 of my new year’s resolutions is I want to read more and where I’m going to be going to show off that I’m reading more is good reads and good reads.

01:43:57.78
Daphne
Quick quick.

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01:44:07.54
jim_phoenix
Um, yes oh God Well if if you’re on good read. Please give my book stars I don’t care what you write on it.

01:44:10.69
box they_them
What. Um, oh I thought you were going to tell me.

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Goosebumps, The Haunted Mask

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Episode two of Goosebumps was honestly more fun than the first. It was dark, funny, infuriating and wonderful. Best of all, it has a killer twist ending.

Let’s discuss.

The story

Based loosely on the 1993 story of the same name, The Haunted Mask begins sort of partway through the first episode.

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Cover of R.L. Stine's The Haunted Mask.

We’re introduced to a character we haven’t seen much of so far, named Isabella.

Isabella’s life doesn’t seem great. She’s all but invisible at school. She is responsible for taking care of her little brother. It seems like her only real joy is bullying people online. She was the person who tried to get Allison’s party canceled by sending the invite to her parents. Why? Because she is a very unhappy person.

Despite trying to get the party canceled, she decides to go anyway. At the Biddle house, a voice calls her down to the basement. There, she finds a mask.

The mask inspires her to do wild things. She wanders around the party, flirting with everyone. And she has a great time.

Several days later, after Isaiah breaks his arm, Isabella brings an expensive drone to school to get shots of the football team’s practice. Unfortunately, Lucas breaks it fooling around. And Isabella, tired of being ignored, says some awful things to him.

When her mother grounds her because she took the drone without asking, the mask compels her to do some awful things.

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What worked

I would first like to talk about the storytelling structure in this season. It appears that we’re going to be getting the events of Halloween night multiple times, from multiple points of view.

Ana Yi Puig in Goosebumps.

I love this structure. It’s unique, and it allows for more mystery in a shorter period. It’s also more complex, showing just how much madness was happening, while just showing one part of the story at a time.

Another thing I appreciated was the evolution of the character Lucas.

On one hand, it’s easy to be angry at Lucas. Even if he thought the drone belonged to the school, it’s still kind of a selfish move to break it.

But Lucas just lost his father. We don’t know how yet, but we know from Nora that his death caused Lucas to start doing things like jumping on drones and skateboarding off the roof from his bedroom window.

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We all mourn differently. Losing a parent as a teen is awful. So while we can all agree that he’s being a problem, he’s also being a sad kid working through something hard.

And the same can be said for Isabella.

Look, we still don’t know what the adults of this town did to make Harold Biddle haunt them. But we do know that these parents are messing up in all sorts of other ways. And Isabella is suffering from parentification. She’s being forced to play mom at home while being ignored by her classmates at school. Even without the mask, I could see her lashing out and trashing the house.

Finally, I love Justin Long in this series. His visual comedy was fantastic here, as he falls through the hallways. But he also manages to be scary as hell. His creepy smile and jerky movements are enough to make anyone’s skin crawl. I honestly can’t think of a living actor who could have played this better.

What didn’t work

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If I have one complaint about this episode, it’s the music. It’s not terrible, but it’s not great. Every song seems like it’s just screaming what the characters are thinking. Which isn’t really what I’d consider the point of a soundtrack.

Maybe it’s just a curse on RL Stine. None of his projects can ever have good soundtracks aside from the theme song.

Unlike the original Goosebumps series, there were moments in this episode that did startle me and unnerve me. Which is wonderful. And while it’s still clearly for kids, it’s something anyone can sit down and enjoy. I’m very excited for the rest of the season. But what do you think? Let us know in the comments.

4.5 out of 5 stars (4.5 / 5)

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Nightmarish Nature: Zombie Snails

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This time on Nightmarish Nature, we will look into zombie snails, because we were having so much with the Whore Snails recently. So this is a lot like the Freaky Fungus except that this time it’s a parasitic worm that is the cause of the horror… Leucochloridium paradoxum, the green-banded broodsac worm, forces snails to be a part of its nefarious plans to take over the world (well, really more just continue on keeping on in its strange and bizarre life cycle).

Hungry birds want nummins
Hungry birds want nummins

This Is What We Get for Eating Poop

The worm, which spends much of its life as a parasite in birds’ digestive systems, is part of a weird cycle that includes both birds and snails, though the snail end is much creepier. It starts when a snail ingests worm eggs in bird droppings. These eggs hatch into worm larvae that eventually turn the poor hosts into zombie snails! But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Snails make questionable food choices, but I guess this comes from being where they are on the ecosystem clean up crew...
Snails make questionable food choices, but I guess this comes from being where they are on the ecosystem clean up crew…

The worm larvae work their way up into the snails’ brains and take over, hijacking them on suicide missions to continue their own life cycle. These worm larvae eventually grow large and worm their way into the poor snail’s eye stalks, pulsing and throbbing therein to resemble maggots or other tasty treats.

Zombie Snails
Zombie Snails

Mind-Control

The worms use the zombie snails to get into their bird hosts by mind-controlling them into climbing out of the shady undergrowth where they will be easily spotted by bird predators which will feed on them, ingesting the eye stalks and continuing the worm’s life cycle as it gets into the bird’s digestive tract. The huge, bulging eye stalks are irresistible to birds looking to snatch maggots and other delicious delicacies. Eventually, after the worms are well ensconced in its bird hosts, the bird poops out more worm eggs for unsuspecting snails to ingest, completing the cycle.

Birds love their grubs and maggots and other nummins, even if they are just zombie snails.
Birds love their grubs and maggots and other nummins, even if they are just zombie snails.

You can watch this in action on Nat Geo Wild: World’s Deadliest here, if you dare. Warning, it’s a little gross but not near so much as some of the other topics we’ve covered. If you enjoyed this slimy segment of Nightmarish Nature, please check out past segments:

Vampires Among Us

Perilous Parenting

Freaky Fungus

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Cannibalism

Terrifying Tardigrades

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Komodo Dragons

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Grayshade Review: Assassins and Intrigue

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“It’s amazing how long it can take someone to die. Or to be exact: how long it can take someone to die if you’re careless. Most people like to talk about the human body like it’s a piece of glass…breathe on it the wrong way and it’ll shatter. Not that I mind; talk like that makes my work a lot easier.” – pg 1, Grayshade by Gregory a. wilson

Grayshade is the first book in the Gray Assassin Trilogy by Gregory A. Wilson. Published in 2022 by Atthis Arts, Grayshade was a 2023 IBPA Benjamin Franklin Award for Science Fiction and Fantasy Finalist. Wilson also has an award-winning graphic novel (Icarus) and actual-play show (Speculate!). Speculate! features a semi-rotating cast of speculative fiction writers (including my fave Premee Mohamed) playing a variety of tabletop role-playing games. I actually got to meet Wilson when I went to GenCon in 2023, and he was energetic and kind. I bought Grayshade because of his positive energy and zest for storytelling. 

In Grayshade, the titular character is an assassin whose faith is shaken by an assassination-gone-weird. In this high fantasy world, the assassin’s guild is also a religious organization, which means doubt in his devotion puts a target on Grayshade’s back. When he is asked to undertake a mission to prove his faith, he must decide not only if he will kill for his morals, but if he will die for them as well. 

You’d be hard pressed to find a book that better emulates the feeling of playing an Assassin’s Creed video game. There are (of course) assassinations, cool gadgets, mentor figures, ethical dilemmas, political subterfuge, and a dose of will-they-won’t-they. The last half of the book in particular was very gripping and satisfying in its steady flow between scenes. The world building was interesting without being over the top. I felt like I had the information I needed to understand what was happening, and not a lot more. I appreciated this, because it helped keep the plot momentum. This included a Chekhov’s Ralaar, which I promise is a funny joke if you’ve read the book. Also, the inclusion of a nonbinary character was well executed. Yay for representation!

However, I would be remiss not to mention that the first 100 pages of Grayshade were a slog. The dialogue and inner monologue felt especially campy, which was really distracting from the rest of the story because it didn’t feel intentional for it to come across that way. I am pro-camp (Jason X is probably my favorite movie in the franchise), however it can feel awkward when it seems unintentional. This makes it hard to connect with Grayshade and only gets better with the introduction of more permanent side characters. 

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That being said, I liked Grayshade. I look forward to reading the other two books in the trilogy. Since this isn’t my genre of choice, I had my husband (an avid high fantasy fan) read Grayshade too, so as to make sure I wasn’t projecting any genre bias. He agreed with my thoughts, liking the book overall but struggling with the first part. I would recommend Grayshade if you like the vibe of the Assassin’s Creed games, high fantasy, and are looking to support indie authors. 

 Also of note, Alligator Alley Entertainment is working on a Dungeons and Dragons 5E supplement for the world of Grayshade. So definitely keep on a look out for that!

3.7 out of 5 stars (3.7 / 5)

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